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Offline onsidekick4

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Pre-snap or post-snap.... Walk up/Read steps
« on: October 23, 2015, 09:40:59 AM »
Have read some differing methods and am curious what the technique is for the reaper/CB's and Dogs.... Are you teaching them to start deeper than the assigned depth then walk up which has them moving at the snap? Or..... Are you having them line up and POST-snap continue to walk toward play as they read/attack down hill? Our kids are loving the aggressiveness of the D and the tap-n-go has them more engaged as a unit. Can't wait to see it in action come game day.

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Do y'all agree that your most aggressive 3 should be Reaper/2 dogs? We are currently running two strong powerful/athletic types at Dog and moved our most aggressive/big kid to reaper from DE. The current reaper is a great fit at dog but I thought most believed in putting the most aggressive in this position. Thoughts....

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Re: Pre-snap or post-snap.... Walk up/Read steps
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2015, 11:00:31 AM »
Our reads are made at the snap coming forward. In Base my CBs are at 10 and the REAPER is at 7. My DOGS are lined up kinda wherever they like, as long as they can attack their area of the field properly I don't mess with their alignments. When we were installing, we were 3x3, as the season goes on, they figure out where they need to align to get the job done.

One of my DOGS is big and strong and quick and aggressive, the other is small and quick and aggressive and gets off the ball like he was fired out of a cannon. They cannot crash though, they must maintain outside leverage.

My REAPER is probably not my most aggressive player, but he is my surest tackler and he will come down hill (what I want), albeit not as soon as I want him too. In theory, I want that to be my most aggressive player, but the mix of boys I have, he fits best, and the aggression will come as he gets more comfortable in the defense.
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Re: Pre-snap or post-snap.... Walk up/Read steps
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2015, 12:55:03 PM »
Dogs have to be disciplined as much as aggressive.  They have to force the play and not take an easy route around a blocker. Etc. and so forth.

R is a guy with a nose for the ball who can tackle and if he hits, all the better.

But most of all, put kids where they fit the whole the best.

Start with the least talented member of your D and put him where he adds the most value/plays the best, then work up the talent ladder of your roster doing the same.  The idea is your most talented players can play anywhere, so they fill in where you have gaps.

I have a kid at Dog right now who is a BEAST on the DL, but we have those positions filled by kids who can't play Dog.  That kid can...some.

Then you can mix and match a little bit based on combinations and such. You want your best 11 man combination out there, not 7 kids in the "right" spots and 4 kids out of position - because the ball WILL find those 4 kids out of position...

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Re: Pre-snap or post-snap.... Walk up/Read steps
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2015, 06:01:34 AM »
Thanks guys, I appreciate the help. If you wouldn't mind clarifying this for me, I don't want to assume I understand the technique y'all teach.


"Are you teaching them to walk up (PRE-snap) which has them moving at the snap? Or..... Are you having them line up regular depth and (POST-snap) move toward play as they read/attack down hill?"

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Re: Pre-snap or post-snap.... Walk up/Read steps
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2015, 11:17:13 AM »
Our defenders should be tip toeing forward DURING THE CADENCE ... so if a CORNER lines up at 10 yards from the line of scrimmage he should be at 8 or 9 yards when the ball is snapped ...

DOGs need to be aggressive but must be disciplined enough to do their job ... some guys mistake aggression for undisciplined play ... flying to the ball is aggressive when they fly to the right spot ... flying to the wrong spot is NOT what we want from the DOGs ...

The REAPER is very similar in that we want him to be an aggressive hitter who brings the wood ... but if he consistently gets bad reads on where the ball is going that is the wrong type of aggression ...

If I have kids who can be easily baited or fooled by play action or ball fakes or misdirection because they just fly to the ball full speed all the time, I will usually put them in the stacks ... where they only have one spot to go and that reckless abandon is helpful ...
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