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Offline topekamustangs

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questions on 33 stack
« on: November 24, 2014, 12:09:32 AM »
I have been doing some reading on the 33 stack most the ones i have read have the stack backers on the heels of the linemen. My one question is if we miss a tackle up the middle its a big gain. Does this happen often in the youth level. We run a 53 and our best tackler is our middle linebacker to make sure the middle is clogged up and we play the sweep. Just curious im very interested in this defense because i have read alot of good just basic questions on how to run it. Can i run it as a 53 with the ends 3 x 3 off the ball and the LB 2 to 3 yards behind the linemen and would this be just as effective

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Re: questions on 33 stack
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2014, 12:25:19 AM »
IMHO, no. The stack in this defense is where the less athletic, least talented of your defense goes. They are filling all interior gaps and spilling the play to your best tacklers, best athletes, playing the umbrella. That middle linebacker in your 5-3 could end up being your Reaper (free safety) or a DOG (Spur).  Against some teams, you might adjust your dogs up and align similar to 5-3 ends, but not the other way around.  This is a different defense, for sure. Not your typical 3-3 stack.
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Re: questions on 33 stack
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2014, 12:31:03 AM »
so basically you are putting the worst 6 tacklers of the 11 on the field at the line and stack then

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Re: questions on 33 stack
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2014, 12:33:38 AM »
the reason im asking these questions is im pretty bought in to the system however my assistants are asking questions. Im trying to explain to them what i have read and heard from other coaches

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Re: questions on 33 stack
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2014, 08:58:37 AM »
so basically you are putting the worst 6 tacklers of the 11 on the field at the line and stack then

i wouldnt put it that way.  your 6 lesser athletes maybe,  if you cant tackle you can play defense...period.
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Re: questions on 33 stack
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2014, 11:44:02 AM »
The stacks are where you can put players that need some "protection"....

You want sure tacklers at Reaper, Corner and the Dogs...

A Nasty Nose Tackle sure helps the defense a lot...
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Re: questions on 33 stack
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2014, 12:10:57 PM »
From reading his posts ... I am not sure that Topeka has MY version of the 33 playbook guys ... and a lot of HS based or college based 33 defenses will put better kids in the stacks ... 8-)
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Re: questions on 33 stack
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2014, 12:17:30 PM »
We used to "hang our hat" on no one being able to run up the middle on our 33 Stack. Against some teams, we had one or two break up the middle for a big game, which we could trace back to someone not doing their job. We struggled in one game against a singularly talented TB. He lined up 7 yards deep in the I. The QB pitched it to him and he would wait to see what the defense was doing. Most of the time, we swarmed him and crushed him for a 7 yard loss, but 3 times that game, he was able to shed a tackle or two and take it to the house. Film of that game was revealing. We learned that we had kids who simply did not want to tackle. They would run right up to the back in perfect position and simply fall down or make a dramatic dive, purposely missing the back.

In another game, we put went "60" front against them and they had some FB dives that worked. Film revealed a breakdown in responsibility. I kid you not. They were double teaming our play side A gapper, who got really tired of that nonsense and started running away from the double team. Meanwhile, our playside B gapper was stunting to his C gap. We didn't know this was going on during the game, but we moved our Reaper back to 7 yards so he could see what was developing and he started crushing their FB at the LOS.

So I would say that selfish play has been my biggest challenge with the 33 Stack and every other defense that I've coached. Between stackers looking for adventure, I'd have Dogs who wanted to get in on the tackle on inside plays who were surprised to learn that there's a such thing as a fake dive followed by a bootleg, counter or reverse. Oh, I've also had Dogs who loved to chase sweeps away who got surprised by bootlegs, counters and reverses to their side. But again, I have struggled with that with every defense I've run.
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Re: questions on 33 stack
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2014, 12:36:50 PM »
From reading his posts ... I am not sure that Topeka has MY version of the 33 playbook guys ... and a lot of HS based or college based 33 defenses will put better kids in the stacks ... 8-)

That was gonna be my next statement. "Make sure to get JJ's manual!"  :D
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Re: questions on 33 stack
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2014, 06:27:59 PM »
where can i get jj's manual so i can show it to my assisants

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Re: questions on 33 stack
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2014, 09:12:50 AM »
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