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Quick Question on Stunts/Shifts/Coverages
« on: October 19, 2015, 10:47:51 AM »
I am aware that we should almost always stay in base formation unless the other team has proven that they can beat us at something. That being said, when do others make changes or run the following:
42
60
GRIM
MONSTER
RED
PRESS

I am trying to determine based on what we've seen, whether its worth the practice time to spend on something we may or may not ever face. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Quick Question on Stunts/Shifts/Coverages
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2015, 11:40:01 AM »
We have 8s, so we will call stunts (Thunder, Lightning) to keep the stackers from tapping the same way over and over and over again :)

Hate the idea of the 60, never practiced it, never used it.

We use 4-2 if we have identified a weakness in the G-C-G area, meaning a really slow G, we will match our stacker against that G, hoping the NT will draw the double. This we have spent time on in practice and used in games.

We have practiced GRIM preparing for fast sweep heavy teams, never actually used it.

Monster we use every game, at least once  ;) we want that Center nervous, and it helps that we have a big, quick and mean NT.

Never used or taught RED.

Taught press for a spread team a couple of weeks ago, talked to JJ about it before the game, he strongly advised against using it, I did not use it, we won :)

Most times, we stay in the base 33 alignment, against slower teams we will use GUTS coverage, against fast teams we stay in Base coverage. We will shift to unbalanced lines and backfield overloads (Beast), and most times the kids can identify them themselves.

We are currently 4 and 2 and have surrendered 50 points all together. 19 of those in our first game of the season. Since then, one score or less, except in one game, we let up 2, a 71 yd td pass in garbage time.
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Re: Quick Question on Stunts/Shifts/Coverages
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2015, 12:32:12 PM »
42 - great for teams that pull Guards or run QB Sneak
60 - great for short yardage and I love the changeup it presents to the offense where the defenders are IN the gaps before the snap ... this one we use more than all others combined
GRIM - pretty good for spread teams or speed teams
MONSTER - we dont use this
RED - great for when we want to allow a bad team to get plays off
PRESS - we dont use this
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Re: Quick Question on Stunts/Shifts/Coverages
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2015, 05:01:31 PM »

42 - we run it often - usually as a change up, or if we're getting beat up the middle, or if we're DL heavy in our rotation.

60 - short yardage, and we go 60 GUTS on goal line and for PAT's.  We've had good success with it stopping PAT's.

GRIM - we run this a ton, probably more than most other coaches running this D. I didn't use it much first few years, I probably use it too much now.  We use it heavily against teams that don't run up the middle, especially from gun.  We also use it for long yardage situations. Basically, I really like the idea of my best two players running with half the space to cover. We've also had a bunch of picks the past few years while running GRIM.

MONSTER - we don't use it. Messed around with it a bit for one team a few years ago, but ended up using GRIM instead.

RED - depends on the team. If we're pounding teams regularly, we put it in since we can't blitz while in mercy.   :)  Otherwise we will use it if we think holding the OS back and letting him flow will work better than tap and go, but frankly that's rare.  We did base in it one year as we had a team that played better if they delayed vs. tap and go.  But that was one team out of 7 that have run this D.

PRESS - have never even installed it.

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Re: Quick Question on Stunts/Shifts/Coverages
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2015, 09:52:27 PM »
Thanks everyone. Installed this in a couple of practices as a complement to the KB. We have really small CBs with good speed and can tackle well, but the teams we were facing had some really tall WRs. I was trying to find a way to get more pressure on the QBs and while Clark is an excellent teacher and coach, I was having trouble keeping up with the instructions he was giving to other coaches on how to handle similar situations. Plus, I like to keep the instructions simple to my players, more so to compensate for my lack of teaching ability.

I dabbled with JJ's stack last year and I really, really liked it, but it got voted down by the HC. This year, I'm the DC and wanted to try Clark's KB. It is an excellent defense and we have done mostly pretty well at shutting down the run. Once the opposing teams start looking at my corners, they let it fly. In the last two games running the KB, we've given up 3 TDs on long passes - jump balls over the CB. We also had a pick 6 and 3 fumble recoveries. In our last game when I shifted to the 33, we got two sacks and two FR and lots of pressure. They were able to complete a couple of passes in a trips setting, but I honestly didn't have enough time to work too much on that. When they started passing a lot in the second half, I switched to GRIM and that did stop them cold.

Thanks again everyone.
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