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Trolling for Ideas to defend a one man show
« on: October 12, 2016, 03:52:23 PM »
So here's what we're up against - this kid is doing this to every team in our conference - #1 in maroon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MReXxWa6axw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wCk3DDc72s

My defense is STRUGGLING - I have a big drop off in aggressiveness and/or ability after my top 6 kids. My stacks plain and simply don't get pressure, and they are getting blocked one on one.

My Dogs are probably best suited for DT, but they do okay out there. Big tough decent athletes - TE/T hybrid types. They'll hit if they can catch him, LOL.

Two of my best 3 players are small and fast, this kid probably has 40 lbs on them. I moved them the last two weeks from R and CB to OS to try to get more pressure - mixed success.

My R is still learning - he's got good size and speed and will lay the wood, but his instincts are still developing as he's 3 years into the game and been a lineman for the first two of them. He started as a Dog, but I need him covering the field, he's better at R once he learns not to overrun the play.

My CB's are okay - they'll tackle.  One of them actually is pretty good out there - not fast but a pretty sure tackler with good instincts.  The other isn't great but he's ok.

This O is what you see - typically one TE with three or four wide, one or two in the backfield.  They will lead the one RB in front of the QB as much as they have them go separate directions (read option look, don't  know if he's reading). The QB gets more than half of their carries. Since they don't do much in the way of lead blockers, their other backs don't gain a lot of yards - one of them is decent, but this kid is the game breaker. They will try to throw, haven't seen them that successful.  We stop that kid a couple of times and score when we have the ball, we likely win the game.

I talked to JJ, and my plan is to play the D a little bit more as a contain defense.  I'll move my dogs to OS - on the TE side, he'll actually line up on the TE in a 6 tech and beat the snot out of him on the way to the QB. On the non-TE side, he'll autoblitz. DT's slant inside, MS's do their thing. R will read the QB and forget about the other backs until he sees the ball in their hands.  CB's are on an island for pass and playing run - please pass, LOL.

My two smaller players will go to "Dog", but play more as LB's - I'll back them up a bit off the line and let them use their quickness to read and react to the mess in front of them. I still want them attacking, but only after the QB commits to what they're going to do. My "outside stackers" are going to need to take on any lead blocks to keep them off the smaller Dogs.  The idea is to let 2 of my 3 best players (one of the Dogs and the R) onto the ball unblocked, and I think I can do that if they stick with what they've been doing on offense. Whether they can then tackle him is another story...

What this means is that 5 of my best 6 players are at Dog/OS/R, with the 6th at one of the CB spots.  My 7th is probably the other CB.

Any other thoughts/ideas?

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Re: Trolling for Ideas to defend a one man show
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2016, 04:36:32 PM »
If he plays both ways... get a hit on him every play on defense.

If you can hold him to minimal on offense and beat him up a bit while hes on defense the less productive he can be.
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Re: Trolling for Ideas to defend a one man show
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2016, 07:30:19 PM »
So here's what we're up against - this kid is doing this to every team in our conference - #1 in maroon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MReXxWa6axw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wCk3DDc72s

My defense is STRUGGLING - I have a big drop off in aggressiveness and/or ability after my top 6 kids. My stacks plain and simply don't get pressure, and they are getting blocked one on one.

My Dogs are probably best suited for DT, but they do okay out there. Big tough decent athletes - TE/T hybrid types. They'll hit if they can catch him, LOL.

Two of my best 3 players are small and fast, this kid probably has 40 lbs on them. I moved them the last two weeks from R and CB to OS to try to get more pressure - mixed success.

My R is still learning - he's got good size and speed and will lay the wood, but his instincts are still developing as he's 3 years into the game and been a lineman for the first two of them. He started as a Dog, but I need him covering the field, he's better at R once he learns not to overrun the play.

My CB's are okay - they'll tackle.  One of them actually is pretty good out there - not fast but a pretty sure tackler with good instincts.  The other isn't great but he's ok.

This O is what you see - typically one TE with three or four wide, one or two in the backfield.  They will lead the one RB in front of the QB as much as they have them go separate directions (read option look, don't  know if he's reading). The QB gets more than half of their carries. Since they don't do much in the way of lead blockers, their other backs don't gain a lot of yards - one of them is decent, but this kid is the game breaker. They will try to throw, haven't seen them that successful.  We stop that kid a couple of times and score when we have the ball, we likely win the game.

I talked to JJ, and my plan is to play the D a little bit more as a contain defense.  I'll move my dogs to OS - on the TE side, he'll actually line up on the TE in a 6 tech and beat the snot out of him on the way to the QB. On the non-TE side, he'll autoblitz. DT's slant inside, MS's do their thing. R will read the QB and forget about the other backs until he sees the ball in their hands.  CB's are on an island for pass and playing run - please pass, LOL.

My two smaller players will go to "Dog", but play more as LB's - I'll back them up a bit off the line and let them use their quickness to read and react to the mess in front of them. I still want them attacking, but only after the QB commits to what they're going to do. My "outside stackers" are going to need to take on any lead blocks to keep them off the smaller Dogs.  The idea is to let 2 of my 3 best players (one of the Dogs and the R) onto the ball unblocked, and I think I can do that if they stick with what they've been doing on offense. Whether they can then tackle him is another story...

What this means is that 5 of my best 6 players are at Dog/OS/R, with the 6th at one of the CB spots.  My 7th is probably the other CB.

Any other thoughts/ideas?
Keep him in the box and box him in. I mentioned this game particular game in another thread a day or two ago. Our coordinator wanted our backers and ends to play wide and they did. The qb when he didn't throw to stud #2, ran off tackle for chunks of yards, HUGE. 90 seconds to go. 95 yds to go 2 passes 25 yards down field pieces, any number of runs off tackle for key 3rd and 4th down pick ups. What you describe is a sw tb. You have to try to get him play literally guard to guard.
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Re: Trolling for Ideas to defend a one man show
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2016, 07:41:01 PM »
On Offense run right at him.

On Defense go to Grimm and compress space so this athlete never gets out of 3rd gear. Full taps and you miss....see yah! Its too aggressive vs slippery and talented. Do the opposite. The more ugly jerseys he sees the more he "idles" along looking for grass.

We are playing his twin brother this weekend. Its a rematch of our Championship Game last year. We played a 30 front and brought as many LB'rs to the party as possible. It worked. He didn't hurt us.

Good luck...we both need it !  8)
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Re: Trolling for Ideas to defend a one man show
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2016, 07:41:07 AM »
If he plays both ways... get a hit on him every play on defense.

If you can hold him to minimal on offense and beat him up a bit while hes on defense the less productive he can be.

He does, plays ILB in a 4-4 look. He's not flying around lighting people up. 

I have already told my FB's, TE's and pulling G's they are to put a shoulder into his numbers any time they have him on a block.  I want him (cleanly) hit every single play. Even when he hands off in the option read look, I want him hit.

He's not a freight train/bruiser - while he will lower his shoulder and use his size to get those last few yards so he's not contact averse, he will typically use his feet to avoid hits. And one of the game films I have was a very close game so I would guess he wasn't holding anything back.

On Offense run right at him.

On Defense go to Grimm and compress space so this athlete never gets out of 3rd gear. Full taps and you miss....see yah! Its too aggressive vs slippery and talented. Do the opposite. The more ugly jerseys he sees the more he "idles" along looking for grass.

We are playing his twin brother this weekend. Its a rematch of our Championship Game last year. We played a 30 front and brought as many LB'rs to the party as possible. It worked. He didn't hurt us.

Good luck...we both need it !  8)

That's close to what I'm doing - I'm putting my extra R's/fastest players at Dog but pushing them back a little like LB's.  So in my mind, I have 3 Reapers. My Dogs, who are more DL types, are playing more inside to force the box.

My whole strategy is based on my two most physical guys coming off the edge to blow up blockers and make him slow down, and let 2 of my best 3 defenders (Dog and R) come onto him unblocked.  If we can't keep blockers off those two, we're dead.

Although putting him into broken plays doesn't look like a great idea either...

« Last Edit: October 13, 2016, 07:45:09 AM by jrk5150 »

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Re: Trolling for Ideas to defend a one man show
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2017, 03:23:58 PM »
We had a kid like that on our team and we played against a couple of kids like that.  I believe our culprit wore a #3 jersey and when we scouted him, he seemed to turn NOTHING into something.  He had moves, he'd get defenders to over-commit and the defense would cross the field trying to stop him (as he sometimes would DROP BACK 10+ yards to create space).  The defense would get sucked into this honeypot thinking that they could cause a huge loss, he'd cut it back to an open path and make a first or a TD.

When we were preparing for this kid, my RB coach wore his cleats to practice and burnt our team over and over again as we coached them on maintaining discipline, covering their half of the field and watching for the cutback.  After about 40 minutes of this, we figured they had it.

Game day, #3 gets the ball, our OLB over-commits, our CB flies up and does the same and #3 takes it to the house.

After that, our OLB's and CB's took a slower more disciplined approach to closing the distance on this kid...I've got some film of it that's quite funny.  Our CB literally creeps towards #3, in order to keep himself under control.  He doesn't want to create forward momentum that #3 can anticipate and exploit...CB creeps, creeps, creeps, #3 tries to make his move and CB wraps him up and #3 falls to his knees because he doesn't want to get drilled.

I had the pleasure of coaching this kid during all stars, he was very talented but undisciplined.  He was also fearful of getting hit, so if there wasn't a huge lane for him to run, he wanted to bounce it outside, most of the time when he was stretching the play out, he was looking for a cutback.  It's fairly predictable, not easy to prepare for...until your team sees it first hand, they will not likely respect it.
Fortunately for us, I think the time we spent preparing for #3 didn't payoff by holding him to 0 TD's that day...but we did hold him to 1.  He didn't score again all game, he wasn't effective the rest of the game.
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Re: Trolling for Ideas to defend a one man show
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2017, 03:54:25 PM »
Ha ha - those guys KILLED us.  They came out and started chucking it all over the field.  I'm sitting there on the sidelines going "f*ck, I didn't prepare for this".  Then he started running.  Oh, my.  It was ugly.

My twins did a horrible job of setting the edge.  I wanted them playing aggressively and coming up to basically lock down the wide D gap, with my DE's filling the tight D gap, and my interior line filling in C to C.

Nope.

That team did end up getting shut down in the playoffs, got mercy-ruled after going 8-0 in the regular season.  I've been trying to get a copy of their playoff game to just watch it. Everybody in our conference was shocked at the result.

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Re: Trolling for Ideas to defend a one man show
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2017, 10:35:48 PM »
Hard to game plan for a kid with that kind of natural running ability regardless of defense.  Its kind of Easy to say hes going to get his points make the other kids hurt you as you would in Basketball or Pitch around him as you can in Baseball.  Other than try and pin him in a corner (He showed, that doesnt work) the other thought would be to string him out as much as possible.  Or,  play a Spy on him. 

Easier said than done. 

This is evidence that sometimes your Studs don't quite measure up to another teams version of a Stud.  Then it comes down to whose "Supporting Cast' is better.  If this Kid ate up the league as shown and then his squad got mercy ruled in a Playoff Game......Point Made!   ;) 

Funny thing is #1 probably couldn't explain how he does what he does....he just does it. 
 
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Re: Trolling for Ideas to defend a one man show
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2017, 07:19:18 AM »
Hard to game plan for a kid with that kind of natural running ability regardless of defense.  Its kind of Easy to say hes going to get his points make the other kids hurt you as you would in Basketball or Pitch around him as you can in Baseball.  Other than try and pin him in a corner (He showed, that doesnt work) the other thought would be to string him out as much as possible.  Or,  play a Spy on him. 

Easier said than done. 

This is evidence that sometimes your Studs don't quite measure up to another teams version of a Stud.  Then it comes down to whose "Supporting Cast' is better.  If this Kid ate up the league as shown and then his squad got mercy ruled in a Playoff Game......Point Made!   ;) 

Funny thing is #1 probably couldn't explain how he does what he does....he just does it.
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