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DE or Mike
« on: May 12, 2011, 10:38:35 AM »
I have one absolute stud returning this season and I'm torn on where to play him.  Do I put him at Mike so that he can patrol the entire field?  Or do I put him at Field DE so he can protect the wide side?

A little bit about him: He's a 9 year old who I expect to be one of, if not THE, fastest kids in the league.  He's also going to be our stud WB if things go right.  He is a fearless hitter, smart, disciplined and very coachable.  Last year he played Corner for us and did a great job.  I was watching film yesterday and he's doing an awesome job of taking his drop, diagnosing and then capping or containing. 

Right now I am leaning towards putting him at DE.  I am not sure if he has the nose for the ball that I want my Mike to have.  And one clip from last season stands out to me.  AN injury forced us to move him down to DE for a portion of one game and on one play the other team ran a sweep away from him.  His speed allowed him to chase the sweep down from behind for about a 2 yard gain.  If he plays Mike, I don't want him getting caught up in the rubble of the O and D lines while trying to run something down.

Thoughts?

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Re: DE or Mike
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2011, 10:49:13 AM »
What's your next choice for field DE like?  What's your next choice for Mike like?  What other positions will be affected by your choice?
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Re: DE or Mike
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2011, 11:12:10 AM »
I put my best kid at field side DE (mostly due to weight limit in our league). He blows things up playside and is able to chase sweeps down from the backside. My Mike is faster but has a hard time taking on multiple lead blockers, that helped me make the decision. DE's have to be willing to sacrifice their body for the team.

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Re: DE or Mike
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2011, 11:50:37 AM »
What's your next choice for field DE like?  What's your next choice for Mike like?  What other positions will be affected by your choice?

At this point I can picture 2-3 other kids that I can place in the DE or Mike roles.  Pretty aggressive kids, maybe not as athletic or as aggressive as the stud I am talking about.

These other kids will probably be in the talks for OLB and DT as well.

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Re: DE or Mike
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2011, 12:05:54 PM »
Place everyone else in their best positions and then see where you need him.  Then mix and match from there.

I had my best player once go from Mike, to DE, to CB based on where we needed him.

Same season, a different kid was my best athlete - tall, near weight limit, and fastest kid on the team.  We started him at CB because of his speed, then to DE because he kept screwing up pursuit angles on the sweep.  He still couldn't keep outside leverage at DE, so he ended up at Mike and was very good.  Not as good as our best player was there, but the combination of him at Mike and our best player at CB was our best overall defense.  Same logic went into filling the DE position, we tried a few there and kept mixing and matching until we had the GROUP that fit best.  You want your best TEAM out there, not necessarily in their individual best positions.
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Re: DE or Mike
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2011, 12:42:47 PM »
I moved my Corner to Mike and its been the best thing for the team. He has a natural instict to bring the pain. It will just take some time to put kids in their right spot. What you start with is not necessarily what you end up with.

What are you guys doing with your MPPs? I have mine playing IDG and they are still getting blown off the ball. I resorted to have them bear crawl thru the A gaps ( we most run in/split). Not ideal but it has worked shutting down the A gaps.

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Re: DE or Mike
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2011, 01:01:55 PM »
I moved my Corner to Mike and its been the best thing for the team. He has a natural instict to bring the pain. It will just take some time to put kids in their right spot. What you start with is not necessarily what you end up with.

What are you guys doing with your MPPs? I have mine playing IDG and they are still getting blown off the ball. I resorted to have them bear crawl thru the A gaps ( we most run in/split). Not ideal but it has worked shutting down the A gaps.

My MPP's saw time at Quick End and Quick Tackle last year. We only pulled one last year.  And if we had to scramble to get somebody his plays we would go at defensive guard.  This year, I plan on teaching my D-Line to grab grass if they are getting blown off the ball, so it might not be as big of a problem to sub an MPP in there if we have to.

This year I want to pull two, so my MPP's will probably get time at Quick End and I'm trying to think of what spot on the strong side I can "hide" them at.  The thought is either Strong Guard or Strong Tackle as the guy on either side of them should be pretty good and be able to help form the TKO wall.

We learned early on last season that our defense should be our best 11 and then we need to find spots for the MPP on offense.  We can survive with our best 9 or 10 on defense for a play or two if the MPP's are on the interior D-Line.

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Re: DE or Mike
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2011, 02:16:36 PM »
You want your best TEAM out there, not necessarily in their individual best positions.
That's one of my weakness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My M/S is unbelievable in what he do but I know I could put my best DE there and put M/S at CR and now coach up my 4th best LB to DE and keep all on field BUT I so use too my M/S covering up missed assignments from other players because of his range he's not the fastest just INSTINCTS OR A KNACK for the ball(the it factor). Going to train him at CR.
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Re: DE or Mike
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2011, 05:23:18 PM »
 Last year I had a kid (#40) who played DE in our 5-3 but was too aggressive and constantly either blew the play up behind the line of scrimmage or lost outside contain. Would Mike be a better 6-3 position for a player like this? It seems like Jack's force DE requirements might also fit him? This is an 8-9 year old league and last year he was 8.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MHWD12PWNU[/youtube]

BTW, number 1 is the player that I planned on playing at the Mike role this year.
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Re: DE or Mike
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2011, 08:17:56 PM »
Last year I had a kid (#40) who played DE in our 5-3 but was too aggressive and constantly either blew the play up behind the line of scrimmage or lost outside contain. Would Mike be a better 6-3 position for a player like this? It seems like Jack's force DE requirements might also fit him? This is an 8-9 year old league and last year he was 8.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MHWD12PWNU[/youtube]

BTW, number 1 is the player that I planned on playing at the Mike role this year.



My estimation is that he is Prime for DE in the 6-3.  DE's are force players here. The whole idea is for them to wreak havoc in the backfield.  This kid shed a block like nobody's business and made a Bee Line to the ball carrier.  Absolutely perfect for the job. 

Your Mike is the kid on the team that LOVES to hit! He may not be your best tackler but he "lays the wood to their behind" every chance he gets! 

JMHO ;)
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Re: DE or Mike
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2011, 11:27:17 PM »

My estimation is that he is Prime for DE in the 6-3.  DE's are force players here. The whole idea is for them to wreak havoc in the backfield.  This kid shed a block like nobody's business and made a Bee Line to the ball carrier.  Absolutely perfect for the job. 

Your Mike is the kid on the team that LOVES to hit! He may not be your best tackler but he "lays the wood to their behind" every chance he gets! 

JMHO ;)

I agree.  I would play him at DE first he is natural.

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Re: DE or Mike
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2011, 12:58:47 AM »
Cool, thanks guys!

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Re: DE or Mike
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2011, 08:31:35 AM »
Okay, question for Jack/Shad/whoever -

The way I see it, I'd want to work on #40's path to the ball.  I didn't like that he let #3 come around him like that, to me that's too easy to get hooked.  I'd have wanted him to take maybe a 3-4 foot different path by hitting through #3's outside shoulder, or just hitting through him I guess.  I just don't want anyone coming out of the backfield to have outside leverage on my DE.  Not to mention I want the QB punished for faking a bootleg...

I actually liked the path of the CB, although maybe I don't want my DE as deep.  But he did beat the DE to the ball, just missed the tackle it looked like.

Am I thinking wrong here?

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Re: DE or Mike
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2011, 11:35:07 AM »
Okay, question for Jack/Shad/whoever -

The way I see it, I'd want to work on #40's path to the ball.  I didn't like that he let #3 come around him like that, to me that's too easy to get hooked.  I'd have wanted him to take maybe a 3-4 foot different path by hitting through #3's outside shoulder, or just hitting through him I guess.  I just don't want anyone coming out of the backfield to have outside leverage on my DE.  Not to mention I want the QB punished for faking a bootleg...

I actually liked the path of the CB, although maybe I don't want my DE as deep.  But he did beat the DE to the ball, just missed the tackle it looked like.

Am I thinking wrong here?
Coach my understanding is that the film was not of him playing a 6-3 but asking if the boy was better suited to a DE or Mike in the 6-3.   If he was playing a 6-3 then there are issues to discuss.


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Re: DE or Mike
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2011, 12:47:59 PM »
Coach my understanding is that the film was not of him playing a 6-3 but asking if the boy was better suited to a DE or Mike in the 6-3.   If he was playing a 6-3 then there are issues to discuss.

And my concern with him is that even though he can be coached in practice to take an outside path, come game time he goes into "beast-mode" and plays like he did in the clip. He's one of my better defenders but he may be too immature (like most 8-9 year olds) for that position? I'm going to focus on coaching him to play in a more disciplined manner and if he can do so then I'll play him at the force DE position. If not maybe I should move him?