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Re: How do you call your defense
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2015, 09:12:33 AM »
Just bought the book. More like I just bought the novel, lol.

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Re: How do you call your defense
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2015, 09:21:25 AM »
Just bought the book. More like I just bought the novel, lol.

Good idea. Phase things in as kids gain understanding of their responsibilities.  For the really young ones, you can focus them on their gap and BCR responsibilities because coverage is not going to be as important.  You will be shocked at how well kids will retain what you teach them from year-to-year.  Last year was our 2nd year running it and I had just some refresher early on because even those who can't remember what day it was knew their responsibilities.  It really allowed us to focus on coaching the bottom of the roster and working on technique instead of positioning and scheme. 

One suggestion based on what I didn't do - while you don't want to have kids playing too many positions as they get confused, but don't shy away from having every kid know 2 positions.  I had some kids at DE who were very good, but I should have had them playing some OLB in practice as well (and vice-versa).  Injuries happen and you need to be ready. 

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Re: How do you call your defense
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2015, 10:48:43 AM »
Good idea. Phase things in as kids gain understanding of their responsibilities.  For the really young ones, y
One suggestion based on what I didn't do - while you don't want to have kids playing too many positions as they get confused, but don't shy away from having every kid know 2 positions.  I had some kids at DE who were very good, but I should have had them playing some OLB in practice as well (and vice-versa).  Injuries happen and you need to be ready.

I actually teach each member of the triangle to learn each role.
Stack triangle- everyone learns G,T,OLB
Mike and DE's learn each other
CBs are normally just CBs.

Amazing how good a kid who plays stand up LB can be at DG by whipping the OG at the BGO.

Todd

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Re: How do you call your defense
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2015, 10:56:08 AM »
I actually teach each member of the triangle to learn each role.
Stack triangle- everyone learns G,T,OLB
Mike and DE's learn each other
CBs are normally just CBs.

Amazing how good a kid who plays stand up LB can be at DG by whipping the OG at the BGO.

Todd

In some cases, I have done that, but we have such a huge disparity in body types that it does not lend itself to that as much as I would like.  I have a big line that takes up a lot of space.  I can mix in some MPP's at DG and not really suffer too much if teams attack A gap.  However, my OLB's tend to be on the smaller side, but good tacklers in space, but are more easily blocked if they get clogged at the line. 

Where I have had to make mid-game adjustments is a very good team going power sweep and picking off my OLB and CB's with smaller blockers.  In those cases, I have had to move some of my DE-types to OLB to clog some of that up and it has worked.  I just need to work on it more in practice.

I equate this to being able to "go-big" or "go-small" in basketball.  Sometimes you want to impose your will by being bigger/stronger than they are.  Other times, you want to cause matchup problems because you are smaller/quicker than they are.  I have not found a good way to make that happen across a stack (yet).  It is food for thought, though. 

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Re: How do you call your defense
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2015, 10:24:23 AM »
BGO.... what does this acronym mean?  :-[

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Re: How do you call your defense
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2015, 10:44:02 AM »
BGO.... what does this acronym mean?  :-[

Ball Get-Off.  How quickly and aggressively do they fire off the line on the snap.

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Re: How do you call your defense
« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2015, 12:41:56 PM »
Ball Get-Off.  How quickly and aggressively do they fire off the line on the snap.

Thanks again kind sir.....

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Re: How do you call your defense
« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2015, 11:18:09 PM »
As Joker says.  Its Geometry Folks.   

While many defense can be built in geometric fashion, Jacks just falls in place when the triangles are built right!  In fact, your MPP's (One Taskers) can Start in this defense when you build it right. 

Outside In, Topside Down, Field and Boundary! 

Rate your Position Players 1-3 or 4 if you must.  1 being Stud and 3or 4 Being a One Tasker! 

Sit and look at the Triangles, Run Fit First, and you should see how putting the a combination of 1's and 2's can help the 3 or 4 succeed and Vice Versa. 

For instance.

Base.

Boundary..............................................................Field
(Short)...................................................................(Wide)   

......................,DB1...................................DB2
.............OLB2.........................M1........................OLB1
...DE 2.............DT1.........DG3........DG3.......DT2.........DE1

In other words cheat the weak side first!   The 3's are covered by 1 and 2's  The 2's are covered by 1's.

Draw the Triangles here.  Mike 1 Covers the 2, DG3's. Mike 1 is covered by an 1 and 2 DB.  OLB1 and DE1 Cover the DT2.  DT1 and DB1 cover the OLB 2 and DE2. 

DE 1 is Speed and Aggression.  Blow it up!
DE 2 is slower but aggressive (Still one of the faster kids)

OLB 1 is a smaller Mike 1,  Covers Area and Hits like a truck!
OLB 2 is a Strong Safety Type,  Quick, covers area, and a sure tackler!

DT1 is your Best or BEAST Linemen!
DT2 is the next best thing! 

Mike 1 is your BEAST!  He chews up ground quickly and hits like a Freight Train!  Fearless! "HULK SMASH!"   

DB1 is the smart kid who understand filling the Alley and not getting beat deep.  Down Hill Kid!
DB2 is the lesser of 2 evils.  He will get picks on Passing plays but, sometimes forgets to run the Alley.  Here's your tweener.  Can cover and tackle but forgets his reads! Reminder, he's covered by 2 Number 1's. 

Hope this basic analysis helps! 

 ;)       
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Re: How do you call your defense
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2015, 02:15:02 AM »
What verbiage do you guys use to designate formation, stunts, blitzes and what not? I am going to be using the 6-3 for my red zone and possibly short yardage defense this year and I am looking for the easiest way possible and most efficient ways possible to make the calls. Thanks in advance.

Not a 6-3 guy. But we call our D by the front, blitz, coverage. So, for example:

32 EVEN, Bronco, Sky

3 tells our SDT he's in a 3 tech (always set to strong side call)
2 tells our NG he's in a 2 tech (always set away from strength)
EVEN is telling our D Ends the shade we want them in on the emlos. So EVEN is headup, WIDE is outside shade, and TIGHT inside shade.

Bronco is just one of our blitz calls.

Sky is cover 3.

If we want our down lineman to stunt we call Indie (shoot A GAP), Outlaw (SHOOT B GAP).

It's very easy for the kids to pick up. We get into a ton of looks that loork really complicated, and can be a mouthful, but it's really easy. It's super easy to stem our D, make checks & adjustments at the LOS.

33 WIDE, FIRE, INDIE, BRONCO, COMBO:

Double 3's, that stunt to a gap cuz of INDIE call.

DE's are wide shade, FIRE tells them to stunt to C gap.

Bronco: M & S backer blitz B gaps. They blitz whatever gap is unacounted for. So since DE's have C's, down lineman have A's, the backers take B's. This takes a little time for the inside backers to quicly understand the call & know where to go. But ours oick it up really fast.

Combo: We run split coverages. So thats alerting them that we havs 2 different coverages on, base on our coverage rules (different topic for a different thread).


Anyhow, working really well for us. Given up 1 TD. Have like 12 INT's, a ton of sacks. Our defense is CONSTANTLY moving and shifting. If you watched us play you'd never be able to guess what kind of D we're in. Technically we're a 4-2-5 tho.


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Re: How do you call your defense
« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2016, 09:54:16 PM »
As Joker says.  Its Geometry Folks.   

While many defense can be built in geometric fashion, Jacks just falls in place when the triangles are built right!  In fact, your MPP's (One Taskers) can Start in this defense when you build it right. 

Outside In, Topside Down, Field and Boundary! 

Rate your Position Players 1-3 or 4 if you must.  1 being Stud and 3or 4 Being a One Tasker! 

Sit and look at the Triangles, Run Fit First, and you should see how putting the a combination of 1's and 2's can help the 3 or 4 succeed and Vice Versa. 

For instance.

Base.

Boundary..............................................................Field
(Short)...................................................................(Wide)   

......................,DB1...................................DB2
.............OLB2.........................M1........................OLB1
...DE 2.............DT1.........DG3........DG3.......DT2.........DE1

In other words cheat the weak side first!   The 3's are covered by 1 and 2's  The 2's are covered by 1's.

Draw the Triangles here.  Mike 1 Covers the 2, DG3's. Mike 1 is covered by an 1 and 2 DB.  OLB1 and DE1 Cover the DT2.  DT1 and DB1 cover the OLB 2 and DE2. 

DE 1 is Speed and Aggression.  Blow it up!
DE 2 is slower but aggressive (Still one of the faster kids)

OLB 1 is a smaller Mike 1,  Covers Area and Hits like a truck!
OLB 2 is a Strong Safety Type,  Quick, covers area, and a sure tackler!

DT1 is your Best or BEAST Linemen!
DT2 is the next best thing! 

Mike 1 is your BEAST!  He chews up ground quickly and hits like a Freight Train!  Fearless! "HULK SMASH!"   

DB1 is the smart kid who understand filling the Alley and not getting beat deep.  Down Hill Kid!
DB2 is the lesser of 2 evils.  He will get picks on Passing plays but, sometimes forgets to run the Alley.  Here's your tweener.  Can cover and tackle but forgets his reads! Reminder, he's covered by 2 Number 1's. 

Hope this basic analysis helps! 

 ;)     

Just curious, why would you play your #2 corner on the field side when that's the danger side?

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Re: How do you call your defense
« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2016, 11:35:31 PM »
No, as a rule he would be Boundary. 

However, as Jack Point out!  Given a neutral spot, the filed side is their sideline!  Tendencies say that they will run Sweep and Passing to their side of the field.   ;)
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Re: How do you call your defense
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2016, 10:36:54 AM »
No, as a rule he would be Boundary. 

However, as Jack Point out!  Given a neutral spot, the filed side is their sideline!  Tendencies say that they will run Sweep and Passing to their side of the field.   ;)

OK thanks, that's what I was thinking.

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Re: How do you call your defense
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2016, 03:32:42 PM »
What verbiage do you guys use to designate formation, stunts, blitzes and what not? I am going to be using the 6-3 for my red zone and possibly short yardage defense this year and I am looking for the easiest way possible and most efficient ways possible to make the calls. Thanks in advance.
I like having one defense with no calls. That's pretty simple.  :)

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Re: How do you call your defense
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2016, 04:34:22 PM »
Lets sit back and think for a moment. 

This defense is very geometric.  It has triangles over triangles.  The thing bout those Triangles is how you set them up.  Personally, I used Speed at DE.  Even if the kids whiffs a tackle,  two, or three the intent here is to get in the backfield and change (effect) the play.  Cause Chaos.   I want my OSLB's to be quick, athletic, solid tacklers.  When the De forces the play deep to get outside (around them) the OSLB is right there to mop em up. DB's are Pass First and then fill the Alley.  Honestly, all they really need to see is "Where is the ball at in the QB's hands?"  If it is up by his head they best be getting deep in their area.  PASS FIRST.  First 3 steps are backwards reading the Qb/ Ball.  No ball... Fill the Alley.  Rotate to Cap if away from you. 

To my pea brain the Key Position in all of this is DT.  If you have one or two kids that can penetrate (1 yard behind the OL head up..looking for the ball) at DT, you have a Gold Mine!   I cant tell you how many times they have swallowed the ball carrier when the DE turns they play inside.  ;)       
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