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corner on a wing
« on: June 17, 2015, 09:46:01 AM »
now verses the wing t we have the corner, at times, on wing....when the wing goes in motion(rip/liz) the wing rotates to a 40 tech and Mike slides to the other 40 tech....

NOW....are we teaching all the corners the 40 tech reads like Mike and Will are taught (moose, wolf)?

or can we just have the corner shuffle to a 40 tech and read the opposite guard?  if the guard pulls back toward you it is counter....if the guard doesnt fill hard  playside?

thoughts?

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Re: corner on a wing
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2015, 10:11:51 AM »
Nick

Do you ever Invert, have Fred come to the motion & the Corner slide back?

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Re: corner on a wing
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2015, 10:55:12 AM »
we could but we do not.....seems easier to bump since we are in man to man....the idea is that two a 2 back set we want to be in the bear front with two 40 tech lbs.....

the wing t red blue starts as a one back set but almost always motions to a 2 back look--thus the bump


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Re: corner on a wing
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2015, 12:35:04 PM »
Nick

I have done it both ways, & it really depends on personnel & the coverage. Last season we almost always inverted because our FS was 6' 220 & came with authority. Other years we would bump if our backers could.

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Re: corner on a wing
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2015, 10:47:51 AM »
Nick

Do you ever Invert, have Fred come to the motion & the Corner slide back?

Joe


one of the reasons we do not get into this is that we may already have the Falcon involved in covering for someone else who is blitzing.
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Re: corner on a wing
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2015, 11:40:41 AM »
Steve

It really is a personnel thing for us. The player we had at FS last season was probably our best player on defense. So where as normally our FS has been more that center fielder type player, this was a player who could play any position on defense. He had both size & speed, so we usually schemed to keep him free. We started inverting him to the motion against Jet sweep. He was like a freight train coming downhill & would stop Jet in the backfield.

After that, we just would invert to all motions. Our CB's were smaller speed guys so it just made sense. Normally I wouldn't want my boundary corner rotating to FS.

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Re: corner on a wing
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2015, 05:02:59 PM »
ok so how are we drilling the corner?  fill with no pull ?  teach him all the reads the 40 techs have?

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Re: corner on a wing
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2015, 05:20:46 PM »
 We will do a much better job of preparing him to play lber essentially.
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Re: corner on a wing
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2015, 08:48:53 AM »
seems like a lot....... tons of man reps....sam/mug drill and the lb reads???

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Re: corner on a wing
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2015, 09:39:23 AM »
seems like a lot....... tons of man reps....sam/mug drill and the lb reads???

We give them lots of exposure to fitting to the heels of the end on sweeps and counters, that's their biggest concern, and then on flow away (as in double wing toss) playing under the pullers.

Good thing to do with scout offense vs your defense.  To me, wing t counter xx and double wing counter xx and counter are what you are most likely going to have to prepare for.

but I cant see any reason why you cant find a couple of days in the pre season to walk through it and rep it.   show them some video of typical counter plays and help them understand how they fit.

Additionally, vs double wing,....a true double wing...consider putting in kids who are trained 40 tech kids and/or move the corners into mug technique if that's your only other option.

As we say nick, we can play this defense well or we can try and be more multiple to avoid these types of problems while creating new problems.

 AS you continue to gain experience (and me as well) we learn how to more wisely prepare our kids and coaches for all of the more difficult situations.

For us, rather than chasing that arc motion, we want to shuffle and squat prepared for counter...we anticipate that counter...being in pursuit on a play away, that's fairly easy ....but fitting under those pullers still has to be taught when you see those dw teams.

IN my experience, the kids that have been in the system for two years have heard the coaching so many times they can basically tell you how to play other positions even if they haven't actually done it.  I know I often hear my defensive lineman, for example, poking at lbers or dbacks who aren't using "crack replace" properly  or bracketing a lead block properly, its quite entertaining to hear a kid whos basically another coach on staff after a couple of seasons in the system.

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Re: corner on a wing
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2015, 03:37:14 PM »
makes sense but its more work for me now!!!!!

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Re: corner on a wing
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2015, 03:58:34 PM »
makes sense but its more work for me now!!!!!


Youll be fine. 
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