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Offline coachnick

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adding a formation and running the rocket sweep
« on: February 06, 2015, 07:33:34 AM »
I know wing t teams and flexbone teams will add  a tight slot formation to run rocket sweep.  I know most of us who run the cdw do not run multiple formations, however is there ever a thought about adding a formation.....say end over tight or other looks  to run rocket? and a series of plays off of this....trap, dog, rocket pass, etc........example of formations you would run it out of?  blocking rules...? off season is the time to discuss!!!

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Re: adding a formation and running the rocket sweep
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2015, 08:33:19 AM »
Check out Wes Elrod's stuff.  He is a Hybrid Wing-t guy and runs a ton of rocket and jet.  As far as blocking rules go I would think you could use your normal rules.  Our offense is pretty a hybrid wing-t with a DW engine underneath.  Things we do to run rocket

offset the FB
Bring the TE over to either get a TE, WB, TE bunch surface or we bring the TE over to line up as a SE.
Bring both wings to the same side (run no mo rockets or fast motion the FB to run rocket).
Move the FB up next to the wing to give an empty look.
Bringing both TEs over to the same side and splitting them out.
Unbalanced twins set.
T over so the nub side has a TE

The list goes on

As far as plays go
Dog (down)
Trap
Ice
Wedge
Power blocking scheme (you can run a ton of different plays just off of the scheme)
Counter blocking scheme (same as above)
Boot
PAP

Of course DW guys want to run power but if someone wanted to it would be real easy to base an offense around Rocket and jet with DW blocking rules. 

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Re: adding a formation and running the rocket sweep
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2015, 01:44:57 PM »
Why not pair up rocket with QB power? LWB goes in rocket motion for sweep, RWB arcs to CB, everyone else just runs power. QB reverses out and pitches rocket or keeps it and tucks up into C-gap. Now add in end over to take care of the CB, let the WB block fbi, and it's a good looking play.

 You also would still have counter, gut, dog, trap, counter trap and PAP as compliments and could run QB blast instead of power if they're running scrape/exchange with their DE and LB.

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Re: adding a formation and running the rocket sweep
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2015, 08:22:26 PM »
Why not pair up rocket with QB power? LWB goes in rocket motion for sweep, RWB arcs to CB, everyone else just runs power. QB reverses out and pitches rocket or keeps it and tucks up into C-gap. Now add in end over to take care of the CB, let the WB block fbi, and it's a good looking play.

 You also would still have counter, gut, dog, trap, counter trap and PAP as compliments and could run QB blast instead of power if they're running scrape/exchange with their DE and LB.

Exactly! QB dog, trap, and counter are all good too.

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Re: adding a formation and running the rocket sweep
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2015, 10:09:04 PM »
Exactly! QB dog, trap, and counter are all good too.

Looks like a whole new offense to the D and nothing changes for the line.

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Re: adding a formation and running the rocket sweep
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2015, 07:23:05 AM »
ALL good thoughts but as always I worry about doing to much......we will be young at left guard, left tackle and center....but experienced at right guard, right tackle and tes....also very good and experienced in the backfield

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Re: adding a formation and running the rocket sweep
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2015, 08:33:15 AM »
Honestly you're not adding anything for the line though, only the backfield would have to learn something different and you said you're experienced there. The line doesn't care what the backfield is doing because it's all the same to them. You could even call it Rocket 16 Power Pitch or something and all the line needs to hear is 6 Power.

I think it mostly depends on your backfield speed. If your backs are slower than molasses in winter, then just run power sweep with lots of blockers and let your back cut off blocks and chew up yardage. OTOH, if you have backs that can turn the corner and take it to the house, then get 'em out in the open and let 'em run.

Another thing to keep in mind is that for some reason defenses seem to REALLY react to rocket motion. We're a wing-t team and run both rocket and jet but it seems defenses just react more to rocket even though to us it's the same play on paper. It really opens up counters like you wouldn't believe and our counter (tackle trap to the WB) is pretty easy to see coming. I'd love to see what a counter trap to a hidden FB could do to a defense chasing rocket motion.

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Re: adding a formation and running the rocket sweep
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2015, 10:08:08 AM »
you make very good points..points I have thought about previously.....our backs will be fast and good!!

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Re: adding a formation and running the rocket sweep
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2015, 10:13:14 AM »
Trap to and away from rocket is nasty and soo easy.  The great thing about Rocket motion is that you can pretty much add it to any play and it makes the defense react hard to the motion. 

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Re: adding a formation and running the rocket sweep
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2015, 06:10:29 PM »
you make very good points..points I have thought about previously.....our backs will be fast and good!!

Sometimes it pays to break out of the phone booth. When your backs are slow, you need to stay behind blockers, cut off blocks, and push the pile to chew up yards and wear down the defense. If you have the horses, then get the blockers the heck out of the way and let the defense wear itself down by chasing them sideline to sideline.

This past year our team was very slow, probably the slowest we've ever had with not many runs over 20 yards, but we had big and physical RB's and a fantastic Oline. We'd routinely have 8-10 play drives for scores. The previous year however we were loaded with speed and if we didn't score in 5 plays or less then something was wrong. Now don't get me wrong, there's nothing I like better then watching a team fall apart because they know we're going to run it right at them and there's nothing they can do to stop it like this past year. However, I always felt more secure the previous year with getting our kids to the edge and knowing that all it took was one missed tackle and we were gone.