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Re: the 52 defense with hard crashers backside...
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2015, 07:27:01 AM »

They are chasing motion with the defensive end and the corner?

Counter trap should produce some very long runs providing the dt is trappable.  (imagine catching them in the cover three look when they were chasing with the corner?)

Power sucker (where you run power but have the motion wing hand off on a naked reverse to the other wing...oooh boy)....you get around that corner and theres a lot of green there.

yes I have thought of all of those.....we faced them last summer in camp ball (they are also 2 time defending state champions with a current 19 game winning streak--but lost alot to graduation) and we tried counter trap xx.....the de  came flat down the line and tackled the fb--(counter xx takes a little longer to develop).

as far as sally goes--you tell me!!!!   I dont know how to run it...or really what it is....how would we run it in the double wing?   I somewhat remember larry harrison running a draw counter on you tube highlights


Anything off tackle underneath the two chasers...how flat are they? down the heel line? or are they in a spot to be kicked out?  If so, they are unsound and one man gets kicked, so does his outside neighbor.

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Re: the 52 defense with hard crashers backside...
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2015, 07:29:00 AM »
The de caught the fb from behind? how about counter trap with a pick tag!
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Re: the 52 defense with hard crashers backside...
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2015, 07:32:09 AM »
The de caught the fb from behind? how about counter trap with a pick tag!

the playside de that is crashing with motion tackled the fb

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Re: the 52 defense with hard crashers backside...
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2015, 07:59:00 AM »
So, where was the kickout block and how did the defensive end tackle the fullback if the dt was kicked out? that sounds to me like the fb missed the hole.
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Re: the 52 defense with hard crashers backside...
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2015, 02:01:31 PM »
So, where was the kickout block and how did the defensive end tackle the fullback if the dt was kicked out? that sounds to me like the fb missed the hole.

dt was kicked out but the de was flying down the line and made the play.....this was last july and I have no idea where the film is ........but yes i see your point---I need to locate that film

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Re: the 52 defense with hard crashers backside...
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2015, 03:50:21 PM »
Nick

Not a DW guy, but have seen this against my SW

It depends on how tight they are crashing as to what we will run

If they are crashing tight we just call our 43 with a water (wide) call which means it will be an outside handoff, not inside to the WB
We run it wide to the 7 and have the BB log the DT, the FB logs the CB

The little jump pass to the TE to that vacated side usually is good against that look as well as long as you get the LBs running downhill to your Power
Often times we will run it, even if we cant complete it, to keep those guys at home
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.

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Re: the 52 defense with hard crashers backside...
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2015, 08:39:54 PM »
I was thinking that.....if the te just slips to the flat it is an easy 4-5 yards--maybe more---maybe have the wing in motion stop and protect vs the blitzing corner...fb kicks the end and just hit the te.....

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Re: the 52 defense with hard crashers backside...
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2015, 10:58:27 PM »
I was just thinking along those lines - have the TE do a little mini-wheel route to get him wide of the S and LB and going straight down the field, could be a huge play. If the FS steps to the side where motion is going, then it's a foot race with the TE.  Might get caught but it's still a 10-15 yard play. If the FS is picking him up, then a quick out into the flat behind the CB is an easy 5-10 yards. 

Or, if the CB is really coming hard, have the motion back cut back and behind him, and throw him a little screen/swing pass with the TE on that side releasing out to block.
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Re: the 52 defense with hard crashers backside...
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2015, 07:10:59 AM »
I was just thinking along those lines - have the TE do a little mini-wheel route to get him wide of the S and LB and going straight down the field, could be a huge play. If the FS steps to the side where motion is going, then it's a foot race with the TE.  Might get caught but it's still a 10-15 yard play. If the FS is picking him up, then a quick out into the flat behind the CB is an easy 5-10 yards. 

Or, if the CB is really coming hard, have the motion back cut back and behind him, and throw him a little screen/swing pass with the TE on that side releasing out to block.

they most likely will be in a 2 high look so that safety will be bearing down on the man catching the ball but it should still  be a decent gainer

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Re: the 52 defense with hard crashers backside...
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2015, 12:16:01 PM »
I was thinking that.....if the te just slips to the flat it is an easy 4-5 yards--maybe more---maybe have the wing in motion stop and protect vs the blitzing corner...fb kicks the end and just hit the te.....

Dont overthink it, the TE dump is right there and SO easy to complete
Great constraint play
When we dont have a 5 tech backside, sometimes we even have our TE run the route on Power to hold the W and sometimes even the Safety
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.

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Re: the 52 defense with hard crashers backside...
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2015, 07:16:21 AM »
watching more of this film on this team.  I am convinced they coach their de to crash very tight and directly on the heels of the dlinemen.......the corner is crashing also--but under control and much deeper--I think as he crashes he gets depth and is thinking bootleg or reverse....if they dont show he chases.....

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Re: the 52 defense with hard crashers backside...
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2015, 01:19:23 PM »
watching more of this film on this team.  I am convinced they coach their de to crash very tight and directly on the heels of the dlinemen.......the corner is crashing also--but under control and much deeper--I think as he crashes he gets depth and is thinking bootleg or reverse....if they dont show he chases.....

yeah, looking to stop counter and waggle.
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Re: the 52 defense with hard crashers backside...
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2015, 02:03:54 PM »
that will be game 2 and i know they will do it to us thinking we will not be prepared for it


how about three verts with a stop tag for the motioning wing? so mo wing would block blitzing corner and fb kicks crashing end?