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Offline CoachCalande

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Re: Cisar SW vs. DCUBSW
« Reply #60 on: January 15, 2014, 04:25:28 PM »
I was referring to this quote of yours.  Sorry if I misunderstood:

Yeah, they aren't the same thing. 

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Re: Cisar SW vs. DCUBSW
« Reply #61 on: February 14, 2014, 08:38:39 AM »
Im not going to go into all the details of one over the other
I don't know Clarks offense, he is a very bright guy, Im sure its just fine

I know mine has been refined over the years, because Ive run it now for 18 seasons on grass with 12 different teams, 4 different leagues, all age groups
Ive played in 84 team and 100 team leagues and gone to plenty of non conference tournaments- widely tested
My old program had 16 teams, my newer program has 4- and all my teams used it- I cliniced them all
Ive worked with 100s of teams to implement it- gaining knowledge from their experiences and failures
Over time what works on grass in real life is all that matters- Ive refined this to a pretty sharp point
What often times looks great on paper doesn't do so well when battle tested- Ive painfully found that out many times
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Re: Cisar SW vs. DCUBSW
« Reply #62 on: February 16, 2014, 07:47:39 PM »
This offense is designed for speed and simplicity of installation.  The blockers have angles and do the same thing every down.  That means you can teach it to 7-8's and be running plays in minutes or you can take a team of older boys, take on a team you lost to before running your usual stuff, add this in minutes, and quite likely beat them the second time around. 

A "Jimmy versus Joe's" situation can occur where an inferior blocker (usually a lineman) can miss his block (usually on a linebacker) even though he has a blocking angle.  The stud LB runs him over anyway.  It's a risk you take anytime a lineman is assigned to an LB. 

In the event that happens, emphasis in the offense is for the pulling guard/center to WRAP TIGHT to the hole.  He is hip to hip with the inside blocker as he pulls up through.  The ball carrier should be on his outside hip and tight to him.  Now the LB not only has to beat your "Joe" blocking him but also get around your "bubble butt" pulling guard to get to the ballcarrier. 

I came up with this offense from having to defend it.  In a tournament with 70 teams, age 13, I found at least 93% of the participating coaches could not defend this.  That still leaves the other 7% .  Also, I also know of one coach who did not win with this even though he faced a REQUIRED defense and even though the defense was not allowed to shift with his unbalanced front (How he lost is anyone's guess.).  The emphasis of this offense is on "simple and easy" first and not on replacing other SW/DW offenses.   
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Re: Cisar SW vs. DCUBSW
« Reply #63 on: February 17, 2014, 09:55:53 AM »
Clark

Good explanation- but it's blasphemy to say an MPR lineman cant block a linebacker in space  ;D

In 2013 due to a whole bunch of odd circumstances we only got 12 practices prior to game 1- we scored 38 points in that game

You don't have to have a huge playbook to score lots of points. More importantly even if you have a bigger playbook no one says you have to have all those plays in or even half of them in for game 1

I know you know this- just wanted to share

What gets lost is it isn't all about the Xs and Os
How do you IMPLEMENT the offense- that is key, any playbook is just a playbook
Where do you invest your practice time
How do you effectively reach and teach kids
What do you teach, how do you teach it
What type of pace can you teach it, rep it
How effective are you at teaching, reaching, engaging, managing the stragglers

I watch teams practice who get less than 1/4 done of what we do in 1 practice
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.

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