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Offline mozzini

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formation question
« on: February 14, 2014, 06:44:41 AM »
Been looking at a TON of stuff since last season. UBSW has got me VERY interested in all sorts of formations and quirks that I KNOW my league will not know what the heck it is we're doing out there. I found an interesting formation that I tweaked a little. Basically it was a shotgun with quads right and one wr left. I moved some personnel around and was kicking some ideas around with it. Just wanted to know if you all think it would work while sticking with "over here/over there" blocking assignments?


                0 0 x 0 0 0                Z
                                   Y  2 3   
                      1

To me it would look a whole lot like a passing formation.  But there's a bunch of runs I can think of, that seem like they would work. Especially if the D doesn't adjust. But if it does, look out for the sally play, should only have a DE and a safety to beat.

Just kicking stuff around.. lmk what ya'll think.
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Re: formation question
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2014, 07:05:47 AM »
You lose the deception of being able to snap to more than 1 player- it's always going to the 1
As to beating teams that don't adjust- you are going to beat them anyways, what you have to worry about are the teams that are well coached and will adjust correctly to the formation every time.
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Re: formation question
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2014, 07:18:51 AM »
hmm.. think of it as beast.. sorta.. spread the defense more to the strong side. in beast there's only a snap to 1 guy.. like I said, just kickin things around :)
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Re: formation question
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2014, 07:41:33 AM »
We have played around with something similar. We taught the qb to call the play depending on how the defense aligned(he only had 3 or 4 options) or we would call it from the sideline. I don't remember it being overly successful but then again we didn't put a ton of time in it. To Dave's point, it might be more deceptive with a back next to the qb.

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Re: formation question
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2014, 08:06:07 AM »
hmm.. think of it as beast.. sorta.. spread the defense more to the strong side. in beast there's only a snap to 1 guy.. like I said, just kickin things around :)

That's why I stopped running Beast back in 2003- lots better options ROI IMO
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Re: formation question
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2014, 08:09:51 AM »
here's the image I got the idea from
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Re: formation question
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2014, 08:20:24 AM »
here's the image I got the idea from

Here is something Joker Number 8 and I came up which is similar.  It is a bit of a 1 trick pony, but it helped us pull an upset in a Championship game.  We called it Split Omaha WAR G 16 Power.

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Attached is a diagram of the formation.

« Last Edit: February 14, 2014, 08:43:30 AM by C-Rob »
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Re: formation question
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2014, 08:29:49 AM »
Split Omaha War G 16 power

Glad to see everyone has standardized on my play calling nomenclature  ;D
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Re: formation question
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2014, 09:52:39 AM »
in beast there's only a snap to 1 guy..
Not in everybody's version!  Some have the inside blocking back positioned where he can take snaps too.  Still not as deceptive as having a couple of backs side by side, I'm sure, but it probably provides some of the deception that standard single wing gives in that regard.

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Re: formation question
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2014, 02:30:03 PM »
I have used this formation back in 2011.  It is about a 3-5 yard play, but not guaranteed.  If you play a team that is taught to get of blocks very well. They can take you down behind the LOS.  The play from the formation does not hit as fast as it would from the beast formation.  The blocks will have to be held longer then 2-3 seconds.

I actually found this formation (or something similar to it) through Coach Parker's website, if I recall he called it "Loud-n-Rowdy"
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Re: formation question
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2014, 03:37:09 PM »
Are you guys creating these play diagrams in Power Point? If so is there a tutorial on here somewhere?
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Re: formation question
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2014, 10:34:39 AM »
Here is something Joker Number 8 and I came up which is similar.  It is a bit of a 1 trick pony, but it helped us pull an upset in a Championship game.  We called it Split Omaha WAR G 16 Power.

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https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rr1iegc51pog2dg/g4QNydegLb

Attached is a diagram of the formation.

Copying is the most sincere form of flattery- thanks for taking my offensive nomenclature verbatim
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Re: formation question
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2014, 10:55:44 AM »
Copying is the most sincere form of flattery- thanks for taking my offensive nomenclature verbatim
Coach,

Not sure how to interpret your post.  Sarcasm or sincere?
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Re: formation question
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2014, 11:02:48 AM »
Copying is the most sincere form of flattery- thanks for taking my offensive nomenclature verbatim

Dave,

I am pretty sure C-Rob used your offense in the past, therefore the use of your nomenclature would be expected to make it familiar with his players.  Why add, when all you have to do is carry over.

Anyway ... Split, War (Wings all right), G, 16, Power are pretty standard tags in football.
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Re: formation question
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2014, 11:39:46 AM »
Attached is the formation I used in 2011.

We were a Wing T based offense with multiple shifts.

Without getting into to much explanation.  On Surge we would shift left and place the HB (#3) into a pistol alignment (3 to 3.5 yards deep) to take the snap.  On Rampage we would shift right and drop the QB from under center into a Pistol alignment.

The play diagram is a bit old and may be distorted due to the use of an old program it was created in.  It will be hard to see the dashed circles and where they shift to.

Surge:  4 would move over a player, 6 would go to outside 5, 2 and 1 would go outside 4.  HB (3) would take the snap.
Rampage: 5 would shift over inside 6, 4 and 6 would slide over, 2 and 3 would shift outside 4. QB (1) would take the snap.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2014, 12:13:53 PM by CoachJohn »
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