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Offline William Harrell

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Full Spin and Buck Lateral
« on: December 22, 2011, 01:21:15 PM »
Has anyone added these two series to the offense? Full Spin with both the TB and WB meshing with the QB. QB bucks the line while the FB turns and faces him to take the ball or fake taking it.
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Re: Full Spin and Buck Lateral
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2011, 08:09:16 PM »
We ran Dave Cisar's Single Wing primarily but we also had some Wilkins concepts as well (our blocking scheme was pretty much "over here, over there" blocking). We ran the full spin and the buck lateral, though the buck lateral was more of a trick play we didn't run more than once or twice a game.

The full spin was effective but I think could have been better. Our FB was pretty hesitant on his spin, and our WB wasn't consistently meshing in the right spot constantly. He would do great in practice, it's just come gameday he would get nervous and overthink where he's supposed to go. I think with a year with it, the spin will be a much more effective play and could be key to our success next year since they are familiar with how it works.

As for the Buck Lateral, a fun play for the kids because there's so much movement. It worked well when teams were playing to stop the wedge. If you're killing them with the power or sweep, the buck lateral doesn't really do much because it's the same thing and hits less fast. However, it's great to see the ends start to crash only to see them beat on the outside after your blocking back makes the pitch. I think practicing the FB-BB exchange is EXTREMELY important. I think a lot of emphasis gets put on the BB pitch. The FB-BB one is more important because you have to make sure your FB is faking that dive into the line of scrimmage. Too many times our FB was stopping to hand the ball off which clogged the play and made it obvious the pitch was happening. Once our FB started to dive into the line of scrimmage as if he were running 22 wedge, that's when the play really hummed (and like I said, we didn't run it often, only like 1-2 times a game if that)
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Re: Full Spin and Buck Lateral
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2011, 12:17:57 AM »
I was thinking about having those two series as my base along with PA passing since our guys don't usually match up on the line; use maximum deception and misdirection. May add the Tulsa Spin and/or the T-series as the year goes on.

Your thoughts? I am relying on those of you that have more experience than I do at this.
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Re: Full Spin and Buck Lateral
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2011, 03:43:29 PM »
I was thinking about having those two series as my base along with PA passing since our guys don't usually match up on the line; use maximum deception and misdirection. May add the Tulsa Spin and/or the T-series as the year goes on.

Your thoughts? I am relying on those of you that have more experience than I do at this.

My opinion would be to run full spin before buck lateral. Have run full spin, but not BL.

Full spin can be run in a number of ways. Doc Ward is a stickler for detail on footwork, while others don't worry about it.

At youth level, you could have the center snap to TB if he is running or to FB if he is running. Same with BB. Someone would have to handoff to WB.

It's a fun series. I'd defer to other youth coaches here about how they block it for inside FB "traps". Not sure if youth guys even trap on those--maybe it is more "dive-ish". We ran a trap weak and trap strong with FB. We ran equivalent of power strong to TB and weak sweep and weak Trap to WB. BB wedge is killer off spin.

Again, some snap to TB on power (FB still spins and WB goes thru mesh), FB on inside  traps, and, of clourse, BB on wedge. This cuts down on ball exchanging hands.

Full spin FB traps, BTW, are plays we liked to run when trying to move ball and kill clock (i.e., you're ahead late in game). We avoided any ball exchanges and still had good misdirection.

Lastly, its sound SW guidance to limit yourself to two series.



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Re: Full Spin and Buck Lateral
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2011, 03:46:16 PM »
Has anyone added these two series to the offense? Full Spin with both the TB and WB meshing with the QB. QB bucks the line while the FB turns and faces him to take the ball or fake taking it.

CC...you should always run power series as your base.

Also, look up on Direct Snap, I think there's a Stateline Comets playbook by Eric Strutz. You need to get a copy of that. He had some outstanding SW youth teams. Really impressive.
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Re: Full Spin and Buck Lateral
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2011, 02:45:47 AM »
CC...you should always run power series as your base.

Also, look up on Direct Snap, I think there's a Stateline Comets playbook by Eric Strutz. You need to get a copy of that. He had some outstanding SW youth teams. Really impressive.

Totally agree here. If you're going to be a SW team (especially at the youth level), perfect the power before you dive into anything else. Seriously, we ran nothing but power series our first couple of games and I would say in most games we ran our power series 85-90 percent of the time. Of course, that is middle school and our competition wasn't stiff by any stretch of the imagination, but the power series alone has enough answers to get your offense going. I really think you would be fine with the power and full spin and you could be successful. Like I said, we only added the buck lateral as more of a "trick play" that kept kids interested and excited in what we were doing.
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