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Single Wing Blocking
« on: November 23, 2013, 09:54:13 AM »
I have been running John T Reed's Single Wing for 4 years with an overall record of 11-14-1 and work countless hours with lineman who even at seasons end cant block or even take the correct first step with the wedge. I need a SW system that is simple for lineman to pick up without doing to much thinking. I coach 11-12 year olds

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Re: Single Wing Blocking
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2013, 11:10:38 AM »
John Boy,
   It sounds like this might not be a scheme issue. I think you might need to change the approach to coaching your lineman. Are you the header? If so, I would strongly suggest that you take 100% ownership of that group. Start putting some better athletes on the line and watch things change. I am not familiar with Reed's sw so I can't comment on the blocking scheme. I am familiar with Cisar's. I do know that GOD(Cisar's choice for his system) blocking does work but it can be attacked by smart coaches. All blocking schemes have holes though(zone guys will probably argue the contrary). Do you use LEG progression? Do you use boards and chutes? Get off drills? Do you pull? Do you use hands or shoulders as a blocking tech. Do you want doubles teams at the poa or is getting a guy to the 2nd level more important to you? You may need to reevaluate the entire process you use in coaching your line. And of course, your record may be a reflection of a lack of talent. The only answer for that is go and get some players. There is an almost limitless amount of help available here but we need more info on what you are doing.

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Re: Single Wing Blocking
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2013, 11:11:40 AM »
11 and 12's will pick up anything you teach them.

If you treat them like 7 and 8's that will catch up with you.

Maybe explain this to get the discussion going....

....work countless hours with lineman who even at seasons end cant block or even take the correct first step with the wedge

...how is that possible?
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Re: Single Wing Blocking
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2013, 11:13:08 AM »
John Boy,
   It sounds like this might not be a scheme issue. I think you might need to change the approach to coaching your lineman. Are you the header? If so, I would strongly suggest that you take 100% ownership of that group. Start putting some better athletes on the line and watch things change. I am not familiar with Reed's sw so I can't comment on the blocking scheme. I am familiar with Cisar's. I do know that GOD(Cisar's choice for his system) blocking does work but it can be attacked by smart coaches. All blocking schemes have holes though(zone guys will probably argue the contrary). Do you use LEG progression? Do you use boards and chutes? Get off drills? Do you pull? Do you use hands or shoulders as a blocking tech. Do you want doubles teams at the poa or is getting a guy to the 2nd level more important to you? You may need to reevaluate the entire process you use in coaching your line. And of course, your record may be a reflection of a lack of talent. The only answer for that is go and get some players. There is an almost limitless amount of help available here but we need more info on what you are doing.

R

Agreed. It does not sound like a rules problem.
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Re: Single Wing Blocking
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2013, 12:03:52 PM »
If you treat them like 7 and 8's that will catch up with you.

That depends on how you treat 7s and 8s.

You sound like the guy in Something About Mary discussing 6-Minute Abs.

I don't know if 7s and 8s pick up anything you teach them, but they always seem to pick up anything I teach them.
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Re: Single Wing Blocking
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2013, 12:09:32 PM »
We are rec league and when kids sign up they get equipment and they give us 2 footballs and say good luck. we have to find a place to practice so there are no chutes, sleds or anything available to us besides the above mention. As far as blocking we teach hand blocking. To teach that we use tennis balls to teach quick hands and we use rip pads that I found in yard sale to deliver the punch with hands and drive the holder of rip pads while keeping feet wide as shoulders.( most time with a strip of carpet they must straddle). I'm the HC and I work the line every night. 45 minutes  and also do walk thru's and freeze when they get to their block. We run 4 run plays and flip formation so that is 8 run plays. We will double team the DT depending on were he lines up and wing goes to 2nd level to block blitzing LB which everyone does against us. Also our league rules say that all players will play the entire 1st half so we put our best tacklers on D. Which we had 17 players, 11 best tacklers on D and the other 6 had to start on offense

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Re: Single Wing Blocking
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2013, 12:37:39 PM »
I'll take a sled if I can get it (to lift, not drive), but otherwise, the only equipment I use the entire year is this:

3 36" traffic cones ($20 each, I think)
3 tennis balls
2 stripes of some sort (I prefer painted yard lines, but if I didn't have those I could use fire hose or something like that)
1 Nerf-type football
12 markers (cones will work, but I prefer blank orange koozies)
Stance templates (make these myself for like $5 each)
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Re: Single Wing Blocking
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2013, 12:55:27 PM »
That depends on how you treat 7s and 8s.

You sound like the guy in Something About Mary discussing 6-Minute Abs.

I don't know if 7s and 8s pick up anything you teach them, but they always seem to pick up anything I teach them.

You wouldn't teach a 12 year old the same as an 8 year old...if you do....you will fail the 12 year old.

Funniest movie ever BTW.  ;D
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Re: Single Wing Blocking
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2013, 12:59:39 PM »
You wouldn't teach a 12 year old the same as an 8 year old...if you do....you will fail the 12 year old.

By that standard, if you teach two 12-year-olds the same, you're failing at least one of them.
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Re: Single Wing Blocking
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2013, 01:00:26 PM »
We are rec league and when kids sign up they get equipment and they give us 2 footballs and say good luck. we have to find a place to practice so there are no chutes, sleds or anything available to us besides the above mention. As far as blocking we teach hand blocking. To teach that we use tennis balls to teach quick hands and we use rip pads that I found in yard sale to deliver the punch with hands and drive the holder of rip pads while keeping feet wide as shoulders.( most time with a strip of carpet they must straddle). I'm the HC and I work the line every night. 45 minutes  and also do walk thru's and freeze when they get to their block. We run 4 run plays and flip formation so that is 8 run plays. We will double team the DT depending on were he lines up and wing goes to 2nd level to block blitzing LB which everyone does against us. Also our league rules say that all players will play the entire 1st half so we put our best tacklers on D. Which we had 17 players, 11 best tacklers on D and the other 6 had to start on offense

J

Then how is it they cant block or even step correctly on wedge?

You are giving them the love they deserve and not over loading them with a bunch of schemes.  How many practice sessions per week? Do you bird dog your plays ?
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Re: Single Wing Blocking
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2013, 01:01:41 PM »
By that standard, if you teach two 12-year-olds the same, you're failing at least one of them.

Not at all....keep up or its next man up.  ;)
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Re: Single Wing Blocking
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2013, 01:04:03 PM »
Not at all....keep up or its next man up.  ;)

That's pretty funny, since right now you're not keeping up.
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Re: Single Wing Blocking
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2013, 01:05:55 PM »
That's pretty funny, since right now you're not keeping up.

 ;D

Question....do you really see any value in using a sled?
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Re: Single Wing Blocking
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2013, 01:08:34 PM »
do you really see any value in using a sled?


dls drive block "load and strike" (The video's owner prevents external embedding)

1:20.
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Re: Single Wing Blocking
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2013, 01:14:52 PM »
dls drive block "load and strike"

1:20.


I meant for the little dudes. On rare occasion over the years we have had one 5 man available to us but the kids couldn't even move them. One season we had some single man sleds and even then it seemed like a pain in the butt to manage.
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