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Offline gumby_in_co

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Re: Camp
« Reply #45 on: July 28, 2017, 04:40:17 PM »
Meh...take the DW for example. They pull 2 for toss and counter.

Do they make a difference with the younger kids? Sometimes. More so they either cant get out of the backfield or get run past by the ball carrier while hitting air, get in the way or simply spin like a top looking for work.

The ENERGY spent to pull two....immense. Worth it? At the upper levels yes....youth levels?....I vote no. It simply looks cool and nothing more.  8)

I think the only advantage watching these clips might be that the football probably gets lost in all the mayhem but the pullers are doing more conditioning than hitting....and they are hitters when they do hit.

Looks like the multiple seasons of my own film when I finally convinced myself....enough. Better things to teach that actually produce results.

https://youtu.be/NpqjC_ENLX0

I see your point. Kent and I were able to get our pullers to hit . . . but . . . we spent a TON of time getting those two players to get to that level. We also used to spend 1/3 of our total practice time honing one play. I'm not in that business anymore.

When I installed that tackle pull on our outside runs, it was to protect X. I was getting frustrated because two of our practice GOATS were teeing off on him as we tried to work on that rollout. So I sent Max after them. The first time, he trucked Twix into next week. The second time, Daly turned his back and ran away from him. So I figured even if he doesn't hit anyone, it at least gives the naked QB a little protection. Watching game film, I concede that it was rare for us to hit anyone. Sam was the exception.

I'll stick to whams and KO from the guard and will be quick to pull the plug on the guard if it's not yielding results.
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Re: Camp
« Reply #46 on: July 28, 2017, 04:54:30 PM »
Do you have film? If so go back and watch....I think you will be surprised.

I didnt cherry pick that film other than I wanted youth film. I could have posted any team....all the same. Long pulling is 100% hit and miss....more miss than hit.

Why not...just play a G or T OVER and be done with it? Still the DW.

This of course with younger kids. The HS DW?....dont mess with success and stick with the plan.
I personally graded our oline play for every kid and every down of every game. Whether the puller got to a man or at least forced the backer to redirect was part of the grade. I was very aware of whether the pulls worked or didn't work. When you run the dw and compress the formation you bring in the entire defense into that phone booth. You HAVE to block the second level or you will get killed. There is more than one way to do it for sure. Our pullers got better as the season went. Did they make the blocks all the time? Nope. When they did it was usually a td. Watch Joe's film he posted the other day. On power the puller is clearing the backer out of the hole. It is almost more of a ko block sometimes if the backer is aggressive enough. That makes it easier honestly.

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Re: Camp
« Reply #47 on: July 29, 2017, 12:05:37 AM »
I personally graded our oline play for every kid and every down of every game. Whether the puller got to a man or at least forced the backer to redirect was part of the grade. I was very aware of whether the pulls worked or didn't work. When you run the dw and compress the formation you bring in the entire defense into that phone booth. You HAVE to block the second level or you will get killed. There is more than one way to do it for sure. Our pullers got better as the season went. Did they make the blocks all the time? Nope. When they did it was usually a td. Watch Joe's film he posted the other day. On power the puller is clearing the backer out of the hole. It is almost more of a ko block sometimes if the backer is aggressive enough. That makes it easier honestly.

Obviously you felt the investment was worth it.

The season before we started teaching zone we ran the DW. Just one season. I learned to appreciate the Offense but thought it was really dumb in that it required so much maintenance. Teaching zone felt maintenance free compared to all that DW business.  :)

Im surprised anyone runs it at the youth levels anymore. Not that it does not work...it does....quite well. But its way to coaching intensive and requires extreme patience which too me is not very youth friendly.
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Re: Camp
« Reply #48 on: July 31, 2017, 12:20:10 PM »
Obviously you felt the investment was worth it.

The season before we started teaching zone we ran the DW. Just one season. I learned to appreciate the Offense but thought it was really dumb in that it required so much maintenance. Teaching zone felt maintenance free compared to all that DW business.  :)

Im surprised anyone runs it at the youth levels anymore. Not that it does not work...it does....quite well. But its way to coaching intensive and requires extreme patience which too me is not very youth friendly.
It was a big investment. Every team spends time on things that make their stuff go. If you base off power you work on it a ton.

I don't disagree with your comments on the dw. If I had my dithers I would run something else. But I would still be power/gap scheme based. An I wing maybe. Go back to the ubsw which is my true love. I just don't know enough about zone to coach it. Or maybe I do and just don't realize it. We already taught combos so I probably could.

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Re: Camp
« Reply #49 on: August 09, 2017, 11:04:03 PM »
Joe

They ran Rocket in Team tonight.

Has potential.  :) Found a kid that can actually catch and run it at WR.
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Re: Camp
« Reply #50 on: August 10, 2017, 07:50:04 AM »
M

QB jump shot, it works like a charm. Good job!

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Re: Camp
« Reply #51 on: August 10, 2017, 10:15:22 AM »
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QB jump shot, it works like a charm. Good job!

Joe


Even the OL did well.  :)
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Re: Camp
« Reply #52 on: August 10, 2017, 12:40:35 PM »
Even the OL did well.  :)

7 second install . . . literally.
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