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Offline MHcoach

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Coaching Knowledge vs Coaching Ability
« on: April 01, 2017, 11:26:06 AM »
Here is a question I have been considering lately.

Is it better to have a coach who knows & understands the game, or a coach who can teach & motivate the players better?

I think there needs to be a balance between the two, but often I see coaches who are on one end of the spectrum. I know a lot of coaches who know the very technical details,but when it comes to execution their teams are lacking. On the flip side, I see coaches who always get their teams to play hard & are disciplined; but aren't very sophisticated in what they do.

I know how I feel on this issue, but I want to see what everyone else is thinking.

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Re: Coaching Knowledge vs Coaching Ability
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2017, 12:00:42 PM »
IMO a coach must first get his teams to play hard, what you are referring to as coaching ability, before anything else matters.  If a team does not execute crisply and physically, the sophistication of the scheme is a moot point.


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Re: Coaching Knowledge vs Coaching Ability
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2017, 12:10:31 PM »
I know Joe has heard me tell what I call "The Cheerleader Story," so he knows where I stand.
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Re: Coaching Knowledge vs Coaching Ability
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2017, 12:18:17 PM »
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Re: Coaching Knowledge vs Coaching Ability
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2017, 12:41:27 PM »
you could very easily re phrase the question jimmy and joes or x's and o's.
Anybody who says it is about x's and o's is out of their minds.  But if you say it is about preparing your kids to play, then you have to seriously look at how you view and treat kids.
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Re: Coaching Knowledge vs Coaching Ability
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2017, 01:11:22 PM »
It's funny because I've been thinking about this myself.  Reason being I coach baseball as well.  Now I played football a lot longer than I played baseball. I know and understand football better than baseball.  However my baseball teams outperformed my football teams and I was wondering about why that was.

Now I'm starting to realize that it's because there is no scheme per se in baseball. So I spent all our practice time drilling fundamentals.  Throwing, catching, hitting and base running. 

This opposed to my football practices where I made the mistake of going scheme heavy.  Stealing practice time from things like blocking and tackling.

I think that at the youth level at least, how much you know isn't as important as transferring what knowledge you do have as efficiently as possible to your players.

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Re: Coaching Knowledge vs Coaching Ability
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2017, 01:32:51 PM »
We have all seen the coach here on the board who can tell on Smash #1 needs to be at 14' 9" & not 5 yards. He then posts video & no player gets in a decent 3 pt stance. I am more referring to the guys who can get their players to do what he coaches rather then someone who knows what they should do.

The Jimmie's & Joe's vs X&O's is an entirely different matter. This about the ability to get players to play. I hear from many here who say my oline sucks should I use Zone or GOD. Not anything about why the OLine sucks.

My cousin for years coached either the team below my team or the team above mine. He was a great guy, & a great coach. He always got his teams to play at a very high level. He didn't always understand the the finer details, yet he was a great coach. I have been thinking how much I miss him. Yet we could never coach together. While we always were competitive about who's team was better, we also were the first ones to help each other. I miss the all night poker games & the coaching chalk wars.

Point being, a great coach doesn't always have to know everything, but he has to get his team ready to play.

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Re: Coaching Knowledge vs Coaching Ability
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2017, 08:09:44 PM »

The Jimmie's & Joe's vs X&O's is an entirely different matter. This about the ability to get players to play. I hear from many here who say my oline sucks should I use Zone or GOD. Not anything about why the OLine sucks.
Joe


I have come to realize that "a small lineman friendly scheme" is just a marketing phrase.

I have heard Gap heavy coaches say "Zone blocking is for the pro's, due to the angles of my Gap schemes all the guy has to do is down block and his block is made! And any body can pull!"

And then I here Zone guys say "All I need is for my guy to get a belt on their belt, the back will run around their block to make them right!. They don't need to think about pulling, doubling, and hinging. All they need to know is how to combo left and combo right"

Bringing it back to your original question, If your kid can't get the call, get in his stance, shoot out of it, get his hands on a guy, and move his feet idc what the play call is, he is going to fail.

If they have the better kids or your guy just whiffs, it doesn't matter the scheme.

The few times they have you beat schematically, just go to your changeup.

as for the Scheme, as long as you aren't running 2x2/3x1 IZ vs 9 in the box you should be fine.

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Re: Coaching Knowledge vs Coaching Ability
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2017, 08:25:40 PM »
Here is a question I have been considering lately.

Is it better to have a coach who knows & understands the game, or a coach who can teach & motivate the players better?

Joe


A coach can know & understand it all he wants. If he can't teach the kids this great knowledge then it's useless.   By motivate if you mean kids giving full effort then I'm with the motivating teacher on this one.

Besides its a lot easier to learn the game. Teaching and motivating, now that's talent.

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Re: Coaching Knowledge vs Coaching Ability
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2017, 11:38:38 PM »
Any coach that doesn't have both is not a good coach. You can't teach what you don't know and you can't teach what you know if you have no teaching skills. Bueller.....Bueller..... I think of that sometimes when I watch some people coach. They just bore the hell out of the kids. Others get the kids all excited but feed them crap you have to go back in and fix because it's all wrong.

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Re: Coaching Knowledge vs Coaching Ability
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2017, 11:41:34 PM »
You need the whole package.  That being said, I don't know any personally that possess the whole package.  There's a few on this forum I suppose but I don't coach with any of you :) 

My best teams from the past always had a couple of fellow coaches who were good at something and we were able to compliment each other.  Some were "detail" guys, another was a good motivator, another was reliable, did the drills asked of him and was good with the kids, etc...   



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Re: Coaching Knowledge vs Coaching Ability
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2017, 12:13:35 AM »
Anyone can draw on a napkin. Being the Pied Piper is a lot harder. Or a lot rarer, anyway. And a lot more valuable.

It's amazing how many people talk about great coaches and say, "All he does is...," yet somehow can't come close to duplicating it themselves. 

And lot of guys who think they're getting beat by coaches who know less than they do are actually getting beat by coaches who know more than they do.
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Re: Coaching Knowledge vs Coaching Ability
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2017, 12:24:36 AM »
A coach who can teach and motivate.  I believe it is far easier to learn the game, x's and o's so I want kids motivated.  Hell he can come to Dumcoach.com or coaches-clinic.com and learn all he needs but if he can't teach it to kids or motivate them he's a boat without a motor (or sail or paddle).
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Re: Coaching Knowledge vs Coaching Ability
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2017, 02:08:50 AM »
I think it depends on your audience.

We all have our style / means / expertise but I do not believe any of us could successfully coach all levels.

I prefer being the motivator. I think Im a pretty good teacher but I gave up chasing perfection long ago. At my level good enough wins but my teams are always nasty and disciplined. That has always kinda been my thing.

I want 11 mean sons o bitches and its always just fine with me when they make mistakes as long as they make them at full speed.

The technicians....bore me to death.

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Re: Coaching Knowledge vs Coaching Ability
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2017, 04:42:48 AM »
Coaching is teaching. 

When the game begins, its about what the players know, not what the coach knows.

This is why time is the most precious commodity.


Effort guys are extremely valuable as are scheme n tactics guys....the best staffs probably have the right mix of great teachers, motivators and scheme guys.
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