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Developing Coaches
« on: November 11, 2015, 12:00:34 PM »
Reading through several posts, I see a common thread that many Youth Coaches do not want to spend the time or have the desire to develop as coaches. Over the years I have heard all the excuses, "it's youth football", "you always have the talent", " I know all we need to know" etc etc.

IMHO it is a Head Coach's job to develop & train coaches. Find a way to spark interest & get coaches to understand they need to better. The first thing is to admit we all need to get better. It doesn't matter if the team went 10-0 or 0-10 we all can improve. In Mint Hill we had coaches meetings twice a month at my home. It was coffee cake & football on the windows. In Brooklyn it was a cold beer & chalk once a week.

There are ways to spark that interest, one of my favorite's is to simply toss a coach the marker & ask him to diagram a play of a defense.It is amazing just how much the "know it all" coach really does or doesn't know. I always find it amazing that the sources I learn from include great coaches as well as bad coaches. The key being to simply listen.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2015, 12:25:07 PM »
I'll take the beer and chalk thank you. I tell coaches at my org about this site and they don't bother. I tell them about Glazier youth discounts and the free video clinics that go with membership and they don't bother. I offer to lend books and they don't bother. I tell them about C-Robs site, and Calande's site, and Jacks site, Delphi, Cisar's stuff etc etc and they don't bother. Then when they don't do as well as they hoped they blame everybody and everything but themselves. One thing I hear a bunch is "we didn't need it last year". Well, unless you were just exactly perfect yes you did. Unless you won the NC you needed it(thanks for that Joe  ::)). So many coaches want to know how my old header and our staff was so successful for so long. Well, actually they think it is a magic pill or the facemelter offense and they want a prescription to that pill. They don't realize that coaching isn't nearly as much a game day thing as it is a practice thing. They don't really want to put in the work. All these guys who ask for help have no idea what it is they are lacking and have no real desire to change how they practice in order to achieve success. They think it's all about play calling.

I had a long talk with a new coach to our org a few weeks ago. Good guy and I think he gets it. He is one of the few that understands that he needs to get better for his teams to get better.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2015, 12:29:27 PM »
One thing I've found is that coaches who haven't been to clinics often think that there couldn't possibly be anything significant that they could pick up.  If you played, you already know it.

At a program a few years ago I'd mention something or other I'd picked up at a clinic and other coaches would ask where I got it and when I'd tell them I got it at a clinic, they'd say, "They tell you that kind of stuff there?"
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2015, 12:41:35 PM »
Reading through several posts, I see a common thread that many Youth Coaches do not want to spend the time or have the desire to develop as coaches. Over the years I have heard all the excuses, "it's youth football", "you always have the talent", " I know all we need to know" etc etc.

IMHO it is a Head Coach's job to develop & train coaches. Find a way to spark interest & get coaches to understand they need to better. The first thing is to admit we all need to get better. It doesn't matter if the team went 10-0 or 0-10 we all can improve. In Mint Hill we had coaches meetings twice a month at my home. It was coffee cake & football on the windows. In Brooklyn it was a cold beer & chalk once a week.

There are ways to spark that interest, one of my favorite's is to simply toss a coach the marker & ask him to diagram a play of a defense.It is amazing just how much the "know it all" coach really does or doesn't know. I always find it amazing that the sources I learn from include great coaches as well as bad coaches. The key being to simply listen.

Joe


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You're a Geek....Im a Geek....plenty of others are Geek's but most are not.

They are "in it" while their sons are in it then they are out.

If I did what you suggest then something fun they do for fun with their son turns into a job.

There is a ginormous line between being obsessed and being passionate. Having the gang over weekly or bi-monthly is being obsessed. I'll take passionate once the last pitch has been pitched....usually about the 4th of July. Then its go time.

Coaching youth ball is a hobby for me.....not a job....even though Im a Geek. 

I meet with coaches during the off season....for the free meals and only if they ask.  :)
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2015, 01:27:20 PM »
There is a ginormous line between being obsessed and being passionate.

1) To paraphrase George Carlin, anyone doing less than you is lazy and anyone doing more than you has no perspective.

2) Now I'm thinking about the line about the chicken and the pig and breakfast.

3) Now I'm also thinking about the line about using just a feather and using the whole chicken.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2015, 01:34:59 PM »
Mike

If I am obsessed than so be it. I find most of the better coaches are obsessed. My point being in developing coaches it doesn't happen during the season as much as it does in the off season. Whether it's a cold beer or hot coffee, there needs to be the social element that bonds a staff together.

It shouldn't be different for Youth Coaches, & I understand most are only there for their son. Still arranging 2 hours a month to be a better coach isn't out the limits of doable.

Joe
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2015, 01:55:24 PM »
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My thinking is that we are always demanding 100% effort from our kids and that they always do whatever it takes to be the best at their respective positions so why would we as coaches be immune to the same requirements. We as coaches should be modeling the fact that successful people are that way because they strive to be the best at "everything" they do. Anything worth doing is worth overdoing. 
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2015, 02:00:13 PM »
Mike

If I am obsessed than so be it. I find most of the better coaches are obsessed. My point being in developing coaches it doesn't happen during the season as much as it does in the off season. Whether it's a cold beer or hot coffee, there needs to be the social element that bonds a staff together.

It shouldn't be different for Youth Coaches, & I understand most are only there for their son. Still arranging 2 hours a month to be a better coach isn't out the limits of doable.

Joe


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Heck I wish we were neighbors. We'd hang out all the time. You'd get sick of me.

The reality is....we are just different than most that go all in at the youth level.

Going all in for most is July thru about now. Then the life steps back in.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2015, 02:13:20 PM »
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Most from here know my home is open. DC had visited me in NC. Rob has been here a couple of times. Matt C has been here quite a few. Even Michael has had Nonna's Pizza. I am always a willing host, probably Sue would kick you out. My whole point is in order to get better the collective "We", especially the obsessed ones need to find a way to get the ordinary coaches involved.

It worked in Brooklyn, it then worked in Florida, then in NC, & now again in Florida. So I know it can be done.

As to the coaches who want be Oregon, those aren't the guys going to clinics, rather it's the guys who think DuckFish.com is the answer.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2015, 07:43:06 PM »
My favorite was this year an assist at youn get ages is running shotgun 2x2 "spread" I asked why...he said it gives him a chance to spread the field and take advantage of the defense. He drew his magic 6plays ...all looked good...until live I saw 1 play ran out of 9 attempts. Snap clearly all over the place.

He asked what he can do, I said work on snaps, instead he install 3 more plays.

Kicker, dude was a rb for university of Maryland in the 90s....Mr I'm gonna run this league when we get to older ages with my spread...buahahah
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2015, 08:51:33 PM »
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I have seen many who talk the talk but clearly won't walk the walk. There is so much more involved to coaching a youth team than many think. I never question what a youth team can do rather what the coaches can coach. This season I have seen coaches who want to teach complex plays & schemes only to fail teaching the RB how to take a hand off or what steps for the QB to take. When any of this is mentioned the players are blamed. The league officials are blamed. The parents are blamed. All the while they never accept any blame for a team that doesn't score the entire season.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2015, 09:26:58 PM »
I thought I was a good coach then went to glazier and use this forum not only to ask but I read all the articles I can and take what I can my big downfall is teaching my headers under me we have a system and I have been a oc at ask she's even high school so I understand play calling but it's something I struggle to teach my other headers any ideas

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2015, 10:07:45 PM »
I thought I was a good coach then went to glazier and use this forum not only to ask but I read all the articles I can and take what I can my big downfall is teaching my headers under me we have a system and I have been a oc at ask she's even high school so I understand play calling but it's something I struggle to teach my other headers any ideas
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2015, 10:44:18 PM »
What I noticed this year is that as my knowledge grows, (from this site), my AC's knowledge isn't keeping pace with me because they aren't 'geeks' like mahonz stated.  A lot of coaches want the Coles Note version.  They don't have the time or desire to sift through a site like this or books in order to get better.  A social gathering is a perfect way to give them easy information (just like Dumcoach is my version of Coles Notes)  I need to start doing the coaches get together thing.  Coach development is just as important as player development.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2015, 07:54:32 AM »
  Coach development is just as important as player development.

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This being my point, as a HC or someone involved with running a program, this has to be made important. Finding a way maybe difficult but none the less important. Every staff will have "the good solider" a coach who will do whatever is asked & may not be the best scheme guy. A side from a good solider any staff needs at least one other coach who understands what the plan for the team is, & the direction needed to get there.

In youth football with 3 coaches you have a chance at being successful. Having that number grow to 5 makes it more likely, while over 5 there becomes the danger of "daddy balling" creeping into the equation. Now with out being over come with geekiness there has to be a way to get coaches up to speed.

In reading a book on Coach Paul Bryant he often said he hired coaches smarter than he was & would let them argue just to learn from them. There are many different ways to promote coaches learning from coaches, but clearly this is something that needs to be addressed & handled.

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