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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #105 on: December 29, 2015, 04:24:54 PM »
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Makes sense....it would be nice to have that kind of flexibility but it does make things easier for player placement. I know the positions they will play before they even pad up most of the time.Even those that played me the season before, I don't know where they will play on this team.

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Sorry, but I don't understand how you can pigeon hole a player when it's a new year & a new team.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #106 on: December 29, 2015, 04:28:29 PM »
M

Sorry, but I don't understand how you can pigeon hole a player when it's a new year & a new team.

Joe


Joe

Your text is black....and my background is black !

No pigeon holing....by rule....over this weight you play DL / OL / TE / SE...under this weight...all other positions.  So easier to get started with placements.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #107 on: December 29, 2015, 10:04:58 PM »
This year at 11U the weight limit was 125lbs. We gain 1 pound every 2 weeks. So a kid that comes in at 135 or higher is going to play on the line. Why 135? Because he will not drop weight before first game. It does not mean a 125lb kid cannot, but with minimum play rules, it works out that way. The heavy players are designated by a stripe on the helmet.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #108 on: December 30, 2015, 12:58:45 AM »
Ya know....I coach under "weight rules" as well.

What was going to be my TE/Slot ended up being my Center!  Not because of Pigeon Holing  or lack of desire! But, because, after three attempts to find a kid who could snap the ball consistently and block, I reverted back to him because I knew he could and would do so.

My Left Tackle was eliminated by a broken hand in the second game of the season.  I put the my former Center at tackle and incorporated a TE for certain plays.  Bottom line, and in congruence with whats best for the team and making adjustments, I did what we needed to do to maintain a level of play! 

Did we win?  Yup! But, we lost more games this season than last.   Failed to make the Championship as we did last year! 

Whose fault is that?  MINE! 

You want to develop Coaches?

Develop ones who can accept what is given (Available) and adjust! Ones who can push the kids for all they have!  Ones who can accept, yet still anguish, losing. Ones who insist on perfect practice! Ones who can teach more than they scream and yell!

In other words, try to set the example for your replacement! 

After all we are talking about young minds and bodies, are we not?           

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #109 on: December 30, 2015, 08:44:45 AM »
I don't know, maybe I am just not that good of a coach. Every year players change, heck every 3 weeks after drills.I just believe, that especially in Youth the placement & development of players is a key to success. Even with the weight restrictions, where exactly that player will end up is always a mystery to me.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #110 on: December 30, 2015, 09:00:27 AM »
I don't know, maybe I am just not that good of a coach. Every year players change, heck every 3 weeks after drills.I just believe, that especially in Youth the placement & development of players is a key to success. Even with the weight restrictions, where exactly that player will end up is always a mystery to me.

Joe

I know coaches that play the kids at the same positions over the course of 4 or 5 seasons with them and never consider that they may have developed into a different type of player. I was always excited to see what the returners could do at the beginning of each season and was always happy to see that a kid finally started to mature.

I think with leagues that have striper type rules it is a bit different. Rules dictate that kids can't carry the ball so if they are going to play offense they are on the line.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #111 on: December 30, 2015, 10:31:46 AM »
I don't know, maybe I am just not that good of a coach. Every year players change, heck every 3 weeks after drills.I just believe, that especially in Youth the placement & development of players is a key to success. Even with the weight restrictions, where exactly that player will end up is always a mystery to me.

Joe

Not implying that at all. Some kids are limited at what they can do with striper rules. So to get them their time, they are developed into lineman. Yes others under the limit can be lineman and I had 4. Of those 4, 2 were starting TE's. So when a certain size, they are pegged as lineman.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #112 on: December 30, 2015, 10:54:27 AM »
I don't know, maybe I am just not that good of a coach. Every year players change, heck every 3 weeks after drills.I just believe, that especially in Youth the placement & development of players is a key to success. Even with the weight restrictions, where exactly that player will end up is always a mystery to me.

Joe


Ditto to what Angalton said.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #113 on: December 30, 2015, 11:12:07 AM »
Yes others under the limit can be lineman and I had 4.

I think this is the most important aspect. Not making an athlete a running back just because he is under the striped limit.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #114 on: December 30, 2015, 11:45:22 AM »
I think this is the most important aspect. Not making an athlete a running back just because he is under the striped limit.

We started last season with only one kid over the stripe limit.  Our smallest opponent had 6.  My mistake was that I had my best skill players start at the skill spots and the next best as their backups.  Should have had the next best at O-line because they were better than (some) of the guys I had starting at O-line. 

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #115 on: December 30, 2015, 12:07:20 PM »
We started last season with only one kid over the stripe limit.  Our smallest opponent had 6.  My mistake was that I had my best skill players start at the skill spots and the next best as their backups.  Should have had the next best at O-line because they were better than (some) of the guys I had starting at O-line.
That is one of the biggest mistakes I see youth coaches make regardless of weight rules. Sure, put the ball in your best athletes hands but how many offensive weapons do you need? If you can't block for them it doesn't matter. On a youth team with somewhere around 24 kids on the roster, I can't see the logic in having more than one back up at each position. That back up at the rb or fb should be put on the oline in many cases. But many youth coaches think that anybody with talent is a ball carrier and everybody else goes to the line. So they end up with 12 kids in the rb/fb/wb positions. I also think, and have seen, that weight does not matter on the line in youth ball. A quick kid with good technique should be able to do his job well. I see it all the time at the hs level. In fact, somebody here recently posted some dw film where I watched a small ot dominate a much bigger(D1 size) de. We had an olineman a few years back who had great technical skills. The kid was a smaller olineman in hs but he consistently dominated much larger D1 recruits. And I mean guys that went to FSU and the like. Flat out owned them and this kid got no or very few D1 looks because of his size. Sad because they missed out on a heck of a player and a great kid.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #116 on: December 30, 2015, 12:12:51 PM »
That is one of the biggest mistakes I see youth coaches make regardless of weight rules. Sure, put the ball in your best athletes hands but how many offensive weapons do you need? If you can't block for them it doesn't matter. On a youth team with somewhere around 24 kids on the roster, I can't see the logic in having more than one back up at each position. That back up at the rb or fb should be put on the oline in many cases. But many youth coaches think that anybody with talent is a ball carrier and everybody else goes to the line. So they end up with 12 kids in the rb/fb/wb positions. I also think, and have seen, that weight does not matter on the line in youth ball. A quick kid with good technique should be able to do his job well. I see it all the time at the hs level. In fact, somebody here recently posted some dw film where I watched a small ot dominate a much bigger(D1 size) de. We had an olineman a few years back who had great technical skills. The kid was a smaller olineman in hs but he consistently dominated much larger D1 recruits. And I mean guys that went to FSU and the like. Flat out owned them and this kid got no or very few D1 looks because of his size. Sad because they missed out on a heck of a player and a great kid.

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DLS is a good example of this.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #117 on: December 30, 2015, 12:18:51 PM »
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DLS is a good example of this.
Absolutely it is but I didn't want to name them because I know the get a higher level of coaching than just about everybody else. I saw it in the NFL with Denver a few years back with Elway's last hurrah.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #118 on: December 30, 2015, 12:41:48 PM »
DLS's Mike this year was 5'-6", and they had another starter at LB who was 5'-8". They had another LB who was 5'-7" but I don't know if he started or not.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #119 on: December 30, 2015, 12:46:40 PM »
Absolutely it is but I didn't want to name them because I know the get a higher level of coaching than just about everybody else. I saw it in the NFL with Denver a few years back with Elway's last hurrah.

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The only difference is.... as you well know....they have the means and the time and the year round commitment to chase perfection. We dont and thats OK...we only need serviceable to be successful. Basically...hand the HS Coaches a kid that is at least willing to put in the work.
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