Consider helping MosleyTheCat keep the web hosting hamsters fed and happy. Please Donate.

Author Topic: Developing Coaches  (Read 88024 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Michael

  • Diamond
  • Posts: 14277
  • Total likes: 2834
  • Coaching: 13 & Under
  • Defense: Undecided
  • Offense: One Back
  • Title: Assistant
Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2015, 07:56:50 AM »
T

This being my point, as a HC or someone involved with running a program, this has to be made important. Finding a way maybe difficult but none the less important. Every staff will have "the good solider" a coach who will do whatever is asked & may not be the best scheme guy. A side from a good solider any staff needs at least one other coach who understands what the plan for the team is, & the direction needed to get there.

In youth football with 3 coaches you have a chance at being successful. Having that number grow to 5 makes it more likely, while over 5 there becomes the danger of "daddy balling" creeping into the equation. Now with out being over come with geekiness there has to be a way to get coaches up to speed.

In reading a book on Coach Paul Bryant he often said he hired coaches smarter than he was & would let them argue just to learn from them. There are many different ways to promote coaches learning from coaches, but clearly this is something that needs to be addressed & handled.

Joe


It's always easier to just do it yourself, until it's not, and then you have a problem that could have been avoided.
“If you can't explain it to a six-year-old, you don't understand it yourself.” ― Albert Einstein

Offline Coach Kyle

  • Gold
  • Posts: 4799
  • Total likes: 163
  • Coaching: 12 & Under
  • Defense: 5-3
  • Offense: Wing T
  • Title: Assistant
Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2015, 09:18:09 AM »
Reading through several posts, I see a common thread that many Youth Coaches do not want to spend the time or have the desire to develop as coaches. Over the years I have heard all the excuses, "it's youth football", "you always have the talent", " I know all we need to know" etc etc.

IMHO it is a Head Coach's job to develop & train coaches. Find a way to spark interest & get coaches to understand they need to better. The first thing is to admit we all need to get better. It doesn't matter if the team went 10-0 or 0-10 we all can improve. In Mint Hill we had coaches meetings twice a month at my home. It was coffee cake & football on the windows. In Brooklyn it was a cold beer & chalk once a week.

There are ways to spark that interest, one of my favorite's is to simply toss a coach the marker & ask him to diagram a play of a defense.It is amazing just how much the "know it all" coach really does or doesn't know. I always find it amazing that the sources I learn from include great coaches as well as bad coaches. The key being to simply listen.

Joe

I'm taking an MBA right now, and I'm seeing a pattern among the people who are really good. They don't have pride. You definitely let pride make you arrogant. You just said a key phrase that I think has helped you be so successful. "I always find it amazing that the sources I learn from include great coaches as well as bad coaches." Sometimes we need a hard nosed leader who is going to shut everybody up. Most of the time we need to listen, but if you're being an arrogant asshole who thinks he knows it all, then your assistant coaches aren't going to respect you.

Offline Michael

  • Diamond
  • Posts: 14277
  • Total likes: 2834
  • Coaching: 13 & Under
  • Defense: Undecided
  • Offense: One Back
  • Title: Assistant
Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2015, 09:22:26 AM »
I'm taking an MBA right now, and I'm seeing a pattern among the people who are really good.

At what?  Taking MBA classes?
“If you can't explain it to a six-year-old, you don't understand it yourself.” ― Albert Einstein

Offline ThunderFootball

  • Copper
  • Posts: 241
  • Total likes: 18
  • Coaching: High School
  • Defense: Undecided
  • Offense: Wing T
  • Title: Other
Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2015, 09:26:43 AM »
It's always easier to just do it yourself, until it's not, and then you have a problem that could have been avoided.

That was my problem this year.  I let that happen.  It hurt the entire process.  Lesson learned.

Offline ThunderFootball

  • Copper
  • Posts: 241
  • Total likes: 18
  • Coaching: High School
  • Defense: Undecided
  • Offense: Wing T
  • Title: Other
Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2015, 09:33:23 AM »
T

This being my point, as a HC or someone involved with running a program, this has to be made important. Finding a way maybe difficult but none the less important. Every staff will have "the good solider" a coach who will do whatever is asked & may not be the best scheme guy. A side from a good solider any staff needs at least one other coach who understands what the plan for the team is, & the direction needed to get there.

In youth football with 3 coaches you have a chance at being successful. Having that number grow to 5 makes it more likely, while over 5 there becomes the danger of "daddy balling" creeping into the equation. Now with out being over come with geekiness there has to be a way to get coaches up to speed.

In reading a book on Coach Paul Bryant he often said he hired coaches smarter than he was & would let them argue just to learn from them. There are many different ways to promote coaches learning from coaches, but clearly this is something that needs to be addressed & handled.

Joe


MH, thanks for starting this thread.  Extremely valuable for me as a coach.  Like you said in the Talent vs. Coaching thread, HC's need to place coaches in the right 'position' as well as players in order for them to succeed.  Good stuff.

Offline MHcoach

  • Moderator
  • Platinum
  • Posts: 7675
  • Total likes: 1755
  • Coaching: High School
  • Defense: Other
  • Offense: Other
Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2015, 09:37:18 AM »
Kyle

I have learned from coaches who coach 6 y/o's as well as I have from NFL guys. I agree it so much a matter of being willing to listen. Everyone has something to offer.

Joe
"Champions behave like champions before they're champions: they have a winning standard of performance before they are winners"
Bill Walsh

Offline MHcoach

  • Moderator
  • Platinum
  • Posts: 7675
  • Total likes: 1755
  • Coaching: High School
  • Defense: Other
  • Offense: Other
Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2015, 09:53:56 AM »
It is impossible to do it all yourself & be able to get the results needed to be competitive. I wouldn't even consider coaching a team without at least 2 other coaches. The game just requires so much work on individual techniques that anything less really turns into cheating the players.

Now, some guys will never be anything better than a clip board holder. They just don't get it nor understand how to teach it. We all have some of those coaches. Those are the guys who take care of the simple administrative things, & usually I will double check what they do.

The "Good Solider" can run simple drills & teach basics, he should be allowed to do this & praised for efforts.

The "Coach" this is the guy we all want, usually they are OLine guys(think PSL & Michael) the key here is show them what needs to be done & LET THEM DO IT!

I have seen lately where coaches don't  allow AC's to coach. Unless you give some input why would anyone want to coach with you?

Joe
"Champions behave like champions before they're champions: they have a winning standard of performance before they are winners"
Bill Walsh

Offline Michael

  • Diamond
  • Posts: 14277
  • Total likes: 2834
  • Coaching: 13 & Under
  • Defense: Undecided
  • Offense: One Back
  • Title: Assistant
Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2015, 10:04:08 AM »
I always have guys who want to help me with the O-Line drills, because I always give them something useful to do, even if it's just making sure a kid takes his first step with the correct foot or making sure the right guy in the combo took the LB.  I try to make sure whatever I give them is both important and something they are capable of doing.  And there is ALWAYS something that fits.
“If you can't explain it to a six-year-old, you don't understand it yourself.” ― Albert Einstein

Offline MHcoach

  • Moderator
  • Platinum
  • Posts: 7675
  • Total likes: 1755
  • Coaching: High School
  • Defense: Other
  • Offense: Other
Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2015, 09:10:56 AM »
One of the reasons we had real success is coaches buying into what we are doing. If the AC's don't buy in, & don't fully understand what it is you are trying to do; than more than likely you will have problems. SO in order to get the buy you need to teach the AC's, if they aren't willing to put in the work than simply don't put them in any position of power.

Joe
"Champions behave like champions before they're champions: they have a winning standard of performance before they are winners"
Bill Walsh

Offline Michael

  • Diamond
  • Posts: 14277
  • Total likes: 2834
  • Coaching: 13 & Under
  • Defense: Undecided
  • Offense: One Back
  • Title: Assistant
Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2015, 09:28:18 AM »
It certainly helps if the head coach fully understands what he's trying to do.

:)
“If you can't explain it to a six-year-old, you don't understand it yourself.” ― Albert Einstein

Offline MHcoach

  • Moderator
  • Platinum
  • Posts: 7675
  • Total likes: 1755
  • Coaching: High School
  • Defense: Other
  • Offense: Other
Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2015, 09:35:20 AM »
It certainly helps if the head coach fully understands what he's trying to do.

:)If you don't understand how things work you can't possibly teach it.

This is exactly what happens, the HC needs to understand the how's & why's of you are trying to do. If you are constantly changing what you are trying to do then it creates another problem. I was having this discussion yesterday, any system that is sound can adapt to an individual team's talents.

Joe
"Champions behave like champions before they're champions: they have a winning standard of performance before they are winners"
Bill Walsh

Offline PSLCOACHROB

  • Administrator
  • Diamond
  • Posts: 12420
  • Total likes: 2362
  • Coaching: 14 & Under
  • Defense: 5-3
  • Offense: Multiple
  • Title: Retired
Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2015, 11:54:55 AM »
It certainly helps if the head coach fully understands what he's trying to do.

:)
Amen. Some of the stuff I hear.... soooo frustrating.

Offline Andrew76

  • Bronze
  • Posts: 596
  • Total likes: 13
  • Coaching: 12 & Under
  • Defense: 6-3
  • Offense: Undecided
  • Title: Head Coach
Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2015, 12:23:22 PM »
I learned this lesson again this season.  I went in with WingT, with all the blocking rules and backfield footwork that goes with it.  Didn't prepare myself which meant I didn't prepare my staff.  I thought they would learn the details along with me, but instead they wanted to fill the knowledge gaps with their own ideas.  Because, you know, they're smarter than Tubby Raymond, right?

Offline mahonz

  • Administrator
  • Kryptonite
  • Posts: 24011
  • Total likes: 2365
  • No Wimps
  • Coaching: 7 & Under
  • Defense: DC 46
  • Offense: Single Wing
  • Title: Head Coach
Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2015, 12:52:16 PM »
It's always easier to just do it yourself, until it's not, and then you have a problem that could have been avoided.


Collect moments, not wins.

Offline Andrew76

  • Bronze
  • Posts: 596
  • Total likes: 13
  • Coaching: 12 & Under
  • Defense: 6-3
  • Offense: Undecided
  • Title: Head Coach
Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2015, 01:18:06 PM »
Mike, how did you get footage of me?