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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #300 on: November 26, 2016, 12:13:30 PM »
Gents

I could have posted this in one of many Threads.

I think many of us with all of our experience lose sight of why this Forum is so helpful to others.

I mentor a small handful of coaches every year. I try to get them to participate on the Forum. They are intimidated. One just ran the table and crushed every single opponent. He went 0-8 4 years ago but he wont share his plight publicly.

Honestly all I did for him was teach him what not to do for a couple of seasons and he did the rest by lurking here.

Just wanted to share with all of you something that bothers me. You are all absolute rock stars when it comes to coaching. A Godsend for so many. Maybe a little humility is in order....myself included.
I learned this the hard way. Telling everybody how good you are, and how you can help isn't really  doing you any favors.  And that was me for 3.5 years.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #301 on: November 26, 2016, 12:15:56 PM »
Gents

I could have posted this in one of many Threads.

I think many of us with all of our experience lose sight of why this Forum is so helpful to others.

I mentor a small handful of coaches every year. I try to get them to participate on the Forum. They are intimidated. One just ran the table and crushed every single opponent. He went 0-8 4 years ago but he wont share his plight publicly.

Honestly all I did for him was teach him what not to do for a couple of seasons and he did the rest by lurking here.

Just wanted to share with all of you something that bothers me. You are all absolute rock stars when it comes to coaching. A Godsend for so many. Maybe a little humility is in order....myself included.


M

I just read through all 20 pages & I am definitely wondering what you are talking about. In no way is this some terrifying thread to scare off coaches.  Instead it's about all coaches learning & working at getting better, including all who post.

Joe
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #302 on: November 26, 2016, 12:21:35 PM »


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I just read through all 20 pages & I am definitely wondering what you are talking about. In no way is this some terrifying thread to scare off coaches.  Instead it's about all coaches learning & working at getting better, including all who post.

Joe

Not everybody who joins is looking for help or to be told how to do it. Some people already have a way to do things, some may just want to participate, or just talk football. Believe it or not some have their own language.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #303 on: November 26, 2016, 12:21:42 PM »
I am on a staff that as a staff hasn't 1 bit in terms of football (its on me, I know) for those type of reasons.

I have read this several times and still don't understand what it means.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #304 on: November 26, 2016, 12:22:30 PM »
Vince, while I was never asked to coach when I was starting out, I did volunteer about a month before my first season.  So I was completely unprepared.  But as soon as I found help at an out of state clinic that I attended, I used that clinic to find out where other clinics were.  Colleges weren't advertising their "high school coaches clinics" on the internet then, so I was approaching anyone with a pulse as to when/where/how much and "Can I go?" and "Is it open to me?"  Like Joe, I can't tell you how many free clinics I've offered, or practices that I was willing to attend just to help those who wanted, or needed it.  What I've found is much like your earlier post where you talked about coaches like yourself who don't have time or can't afford to travel.  If you're going to look for reasons why you can't do something, I'm sure you'll find that answer every time.

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My first year was 2010 and I also volunteered. I wasn't confirmed until the second day of practice. I ended up being an AC for the varsity division of the team and was then asked to be the DC for the team. Admittedly, I had no real knowledge of defense and the HC really wasn't football keen either. Just another dad coaching because his son was playing. So, I put something together and ended up running a not real good 46 defense. In the 2011 season, I was the HC for the JV division team. But again, it wasn't until a few days beforehand when I found out about being the HC. In fact, as far as coaching youth is concerned, with the exception of this season, I was not confirmed of a coaching assignment until a few days before the start of pre-season. Now, it may be different where you're at, but that's the way it rolls in this neck of the woods, at least in the two programs where I've coached. So it's very difficult to prepare something on very short notice. Now next year will be entirely different. I already know that I'm the HC and I already have 2 ACs.

Now, I'm going to take a stab here. My guess is that when you started coaching youth, you probably had ambitions of coaching at higher levels. So for you, it was extremely important to create bonds and rub shoulders with other coaches. And through the course of time, you learned and now you're fulfilling those goals. But here's my point. When I started coaching in 2010, I also had ambitions of moving up the ladder. I eventually made it to MS and HS JV. Not a bad rise for someone who has been coaching for just 3-5 years at that point. Now something happened in the last year. As I start getting closer to 60, I just don't want to coach at the HS level any longer. In fact, this year, I was very content, and am very content to stay at the youth level. But because I want to be a good coach, I continue to study and research.

But here's the question. How many youth coaches really want to move up to the MS and HS level? Now you've obviously been to more Glazier Clinics than I have, so I'm going to pose a question for you. What percentage of those in attendance are youth coaches, 5%, 10%? My guess is that the only youth coaches attending clinics are those that have further ambitions of moving up to coach at higher levels. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong, but that's my opinion.

The reality is that the average youth coach is simply going to come on forums like this and try to get some answers on how to put something together, for free. That's reality. Maybe they'll contact you, or Joe, or Mike. As far as I'm concerned, you guys have given me a lot to think about and incorporate and I always appreciate your responses. I wish others would follow your lead. However, Mike has sort of hit the nail on the head. Many of us do want to learn, but sometimes the responses we get don't provide help or insight at all, but instead do more to embarrass and humiliate. This begs the question as to why anyone would ever want to post a topic on here if the responses are just going to make people feel like fools for asking. Just saying.

A perfect example is the topic I started a week or so ago about blocking technique for wide splits. I was reading Faurot's book on the Split-T and I was trying to understand the technique he was describing. I thought it might benefit the smaller team that I typically have. What did I get? I was told that I was looking for ways to not teach fundamentals or stances, or whatever. And all I wanted to know was how the technique was employed, how was it taught. When a new coach comes on here, and they read stuff like that for asking a question, do you think that they're going to feel welcome? No way! What did I do? I stopped posting about it. Then I called Bill Mountjoy. And Bill explained how he played in the Split-T and coached it and how they taught the blocking, etc. He answered my questions and helped me understand without making me feel like I was some terrible coach who wasn't interested in teaching proper fundamentals.

I'm sorry for the rant. And like I said, I certainly don't put you in the above described category. But Mike does make a good point as to what the purpose of this forum is and whether treatment of youth coaches in particular by certain individuals on this forum is really a benefit or hindrance. 

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #305 on: November 26, 2016, 12:23:36 PM »
I have read this several times and still don't understand what it means.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #306 on: November 26, 2016, 12:26:14 PM »
So maybe we preface each post with the level commitment that it ia intended for? No thanks. Maybe a thread or section just dedicated to the dad that just got thrown to the wolves and has 2 weeks to put it all together. Those threads would end up evolving into the craziness that we all suffer from. I think just about anyone who is so discouraged by the postings here should not be a coach anyway. I do think a section dedicated to those new comer dad coaches would be good. It would just have to be heavily moderated and who is going to do that? Much of what we discuss is for guys who coach multiple years even after their kids age out. A new coach at a Glazier might be wasting his time.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #307 on: November 26, 2016, 12:30:16 PM »
I try to get them to participate on the Forum.

--As have I, with coaches from around here.

They are intimidated.

--And you know this how?  The group down here isn't intimidated.  They're lazy.

He went 0-8 4 years ago but he wont share his plight publicly.

--So what?  I'm not understanding what his "plight" being shared with us(?) has to do with anything.

You are all absolute rock stars when it comes to coaching.

--Doubt it.  I have NO interest in being a rock star, guru or expert.  I can only share what I've experienced and learned.  Whether that's helpful to others or not, who knows?

Maybe a little humility is in order....myself included.

--I can't be anymore humble than by saying "if I can do this, then you can do this."

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #308 on: November 26, 2016, 12:44:57 PM »
Youth Football: Where coaches scream at kids all day, every day, that they need to be tough, but are scared to post anonymously on an internet message board.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #309 on: November 26, 2016, 12:45:55 PM »
V

The problem was how you started that post. Rather than asking has anyone had any experience with this you were making statements about it being an answer for poor blocking. It wasn't until several posts in you cleared up your intent. When you did I answered.

I thought this was supposed to be about coaching all of a sudden we are supposed to be polite & kind. I think guys are taking things way to personal & being way too sensitive. I would love to know when I haven't ever tried to be open or refused anyone a phone call.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #310 on: November 26, 2016, 01:03:25 PM »
I guess my Brooklyn attitude comes off brash or arrogant, oops! One thing for sure I will always speak my mind. If you find it offensive, well PM me to find out if that's how it is really intended. Otherwise, think what you will, that's ok too.

Joe
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #311 on: November 26, 2016, 01:36:00 PM »
I guess my Brooklyn attitude comes off brash or arrogant, oops! One thing for sure I will always speak my mind. If you find it offensive, well PM me to find out if that's how it is really intended. Otherwise, think what you will, that's ok too.

Joe

Joe, I'm from NJ so I understand your Brooklynese. At least you do answer questions and are helpful.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #312 on: November 26, 2016, 01:42:29 PM »
V

Developing coaches is just that , we all need to be a better coach. Believe me one thing I have learned is I often learn from coaches who are looking to learn from me. There is no one way to do things. The great thing is the scoreboard will often tell us whether we are right or wrong.

Joe
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #313 on: November 26, 2016, 02:00:19 PM »
Youth Football: Where coaches scream at kids all day, every day, that they need to be tough, but are scared to post anonymously on an internet message board.

Maybe that Millenial "safe space" thing is gaining ground even in the supposed meritocracy that is the game of football
That would be a shame

I've worked with literally thousands of youth coaches
Just like kids you reach them all in variety of ways
Sometimes the only way certain people will listen is if you raise your voice

Candy coating for grown men?
If I'm consuming definitely not for me
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« Reply #314 on: November 26, 2016, 02:10:46 PM »
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You & I must be the 2 most misunderstood here.

Joe
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