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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #315 on: November 26, 2016, 02:18:01 PM »
DC

You & I must be the 2 most misunderstood here.

Joe


Part of the problem:
Guys asking a question about x
When they will fail miserably until they understand the value of having the answer to A first
Like someone trying to build a car and instead of figuring out the frame and engine
Instead they are consumed with the glove box or color of the car
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #316 on: November 26, 2016, 02:31:26 PM »
DC

I remember back when I first started coaching. I knew next to nothing only what I had done in HS. I soon realized none of that would help.My second year I was asked to coach the DL on the premier team in our organization. The HC literally held my hand teaching me how to run drills & what to teach. I was a sponge sucking everything in. The next season I was coaching DB's something that was totally foreign to me. Again I worked to learn what to do & how to coach it.

The point being, I learned from others & never thought I was the guy that knew everything. I still work daily to get better. It also means I will listen what others have to say. Unfortunately when they say something foolish I will call them out. I guess that makes me arrogant.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #317 on: November 26, 2016, 02:39:50 PM »
My guess is that when you started coaching youth, you probably had ambitions of coaching at higher levels.

--Nope.  You couldn't be more wrong.  I answered an ad in the newspaper (posted by a youth org) because I thought it might be fun.  And pretty easy.  (I was wrong on both counts.)  I came back the next year because the org was a disorganized mess and I thought I could help.  I also thought their coaches were disasters. (Think typically bad youth org in every way.)  Year 2 had been no better in working for a different header.  Year 3 I got my own team (7-9s).  I was a header at that age group for four years with NO interest of going anywhere else (Why should I?  We'd won our last 25 in a row, at that point.)  I decided to move to the 8-11s only when the new league commish wasn't consistent about making up the 7-9's games that had been rained out.  But 8-11s had play-offs, so all of that age group's games were played regardless, rain or no rain.  So I wanted to coach at a level where weather didn't dictate whether we'd get our games in.  In 2006 (my 4th year with 8-11s), I received an offer to be an assistant coach at a local high school.  I turned it down.  I wanted to be a header (regardless of "level") and had no aspirations to coach high school football, which I knew nothing about anyway.  At the same time, I was offered an AC position at a middle school.  Since they wanted to run the Double Wing, their practices didn't conflict with mine, I knew their coaching staff and I was getting a stipend, I accepted.  I coached the Double Wing at middle schools in '06, '07 and '08.  I would not have done it if they weren't running my system, or if it had conflicted with my youth practices.  In 2007, I moved to our youth org's 9-12 group because we only had one team at that age level and I was tired of the hassle/drama of splitting up players at the 8-11 group (where we had two teams).  In 2009, I applied for a 1A (smallest level) high school (Offensive Coordinator) job because it was only across the street from where my youth team practiced, the practice times did not conflict, they were willing to run the Double Wing and I could still be a header with my youth team.  I was also out of work and I stipulated that their offer had to include an in-school job.  It did.  In 2010, I became our org's 11-15 HC.  I moved to that age level because I was hoping that these kids would want to move across the street and play for me at the high school, (where the football program was brand-new).  In 2011 (my 3rd year at the high school), I was named head coach at the high school and one of their stipulations was that I had to quit my job with the youth org.  As the high school was now keeping a roof over my head, I resigned from coaching youth ball (for the previous 14 years) and accepted their offer to become a high school head coach.  I was a high school header in '11 and '12.  At the end of '12 I moved to South Carolina (to be with my dad who was ill).  My father's health improved and I was ready to go back to coaching youth ball when a high school in North Carolina offered me.  They were installing the Double Wing and said an in-school job would be included.  I moved back to NC and coached at CHS in '13 and '14.  In '15 they hired a new header and they got rid of the Double Wing.  I went back to youth coaching as an AC even though I still had an in-school job at that high school.  This past year, I applied for the JV head coaching job at GHHS.  They offered and I accepted.  It included an in-school job (that I have since resigned from).  I have no idea how that will affect my status as the JV header for next year.  We'll see.  But I never had illusions or delusions about coaching anything more than youth ball.  I was happy there.  And if it hadn't been such a battle to get rained-out games made up, I'd probably still be coaching 7-9s.  Sorry for the long-winded recitation.  But your assumptions about my goals were waay off.

So for you, it was extremely important to create bonds and rub shoulders with other coaches.

--No.  For me, it was extremely important to learn and to be the best I could be, regardless of the "level."  I believe in making the big time where you are. 

But here's my point. When I started coaching in 2010, I also had ambitions of moving up the ladder. I eventually made it to MS and HS JV. Not a bad rise for someone who has been coaching for just 3-5 years at that point.

--Not at all, if that's what you want.

But here's the question. How many youth coaches really want to move up to the MS and HS level? Now you've obviously been to more Glazier Clinics than I have, so I'm going to pose a question for you. What percentage of those in attendance are youth coaches, 5%, 10%? My guess is that the only youth coaches attending clinics are those that have further ambitions of moving up to coach at higher levels. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong, but that's my opinion.

--Dunno.  I can only speak for myself.  I had been attending clinics for 7 years before coaching middle school and for 10 years before I started coaching high school.  Regardless, you shouldn't have to want to coach middle or high school to want to improve.

--Dave

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"If You Want To Have Better Players, Be A Better Coach."

The Mission Statement:
"I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #318 on: November 26, 2016, 02:47:21 PM »
These threads always turn into somebody or other trying, continually, to explain why they don't suck. Here's a tip: If you find yourself always explaining why you don't suck, you probably suck.

God forbid this thread could be about developing coaches. That would actually serve a purpose other than making Vince feel better about himself. Or making Vince feel better about what everyone else thinks of him. Or whatever the hell Vince wants, which apparently doesn't include Vince developing as a coach.

I already did nursery school once. I'm not looking for a second shot at it.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #319 on: November 26, 2016, 02:55:32 PM »
These threads always turn into somebody or other trying, continually, to explain why they don't suck. Here's a tip: If you find yourself always explaining why you don't suck, you probably suck.

I suck.  I know it.  If I didn't suck, I'd be making my living coaching in college or the NFL.

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"If You Want To Have Better Players, Be A Better Coach."

The Mission Statement:
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #320 on: November 26, 2016, 03:02:50 PM »
I think just about anyone who is so discouraged by the postings here should not be a coach anyway.

And make no mistake: coaching is tough.  Time commitment, organization, attention to detail, player-agents, coaching from the stands, etc.  And on top of that, to be good at it.  It's a tough, hard, challenging gig.  Not for the squeamish.  I tell my players, if you take this personally, then you can't play for me.  As for intimidating those who seek help?  That has never been my intent.

--Dave
"If You Want To Have Better Players, Be A Better Coach."

The Mission Statement:
"I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #321 on: November 26, 2016, 03:09:09 PM »
DP

I have seen the mud slide pictures now that's intimidation.

Joe
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #322 on: November 26, 2016, 03:10:17 PM »
And how did this happen in Joe's section of the board? I know how I'd handle it, that's for sure.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #323 on: November 26, 2016, 03:15:38 PM »
DP

I have seen the mud slide pictures now that's intimidation.

Joe


Have you seen me singing "The Tree Song" with my players?  Scary stuff.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #324 on: November 26, 2016, 03:19:17 PM »
Michael

Let's see, I have been called condescending, arrogant, overbearing & down right evil. I have been accused of running off lurkers & basically calling all Youth coaches no good. Now, I very well be evil, arrogant, & condescending, but never called all Youth coaches no good, often saying many are much better than those being paid to coach. As to running off lurkers, well that is open to conjecture.

Either way I offered to delete the thread, but honestly after reading through it there was a lot more likes than anyone would think.

Joe
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #325 on: November 26, 2016, 03:20:18 PM »
DP

I missed that one.

Joe
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #326 on: November 26, 2016, 03:22:08 PM »
I'd just move Vince back to the kids' table and let the adults continue the original discussion.
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"If You Want To Have Better Players, Be A Better Coach."

The Mission Statement:
"I want to show any young man that he is far tougher than he thinks, that he can accomplish more than what he dreamed and that his work ethic will take him wherever he wants to go."

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #328 on: November 26, 2016, 03:26:29 PM »
These threads always turn into somebody or other trying, continually, to explain why they don't suck. Here's a tip: If you find yourself always explaining why you don't suck, you probably suck.

God forbid this thread could be about developing coaches. That would actually serve a purpose other than making Vince feel better about himself. Or making Vince feel better about what everyone else thinks of him. Or whatever the hell Vince wants, which apparently doesn't include Vince developing as a coach.

I already did nursery school once. I'm not looking for a second shot at it.
Trust me, Michael, I don't need you or anyone else to make me feel good about myself. But now I understand what my parents meant when they talked about people who would try to make themselves appear better than they really are by tearing down and belittling others.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #329 on: November 26, 2016, 03:27:59 PM »
If I were a whiny little bitch, that would bother me. Try talking about how to develop coaches.
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