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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #345 on: November 26, 2016, 05:49:51 PM »
M

Can we agree there are good youth coaches & bad youth coaches?
 


Absolutely !

Currently...put me in the bad column. My season ended in the worst way possible.

This Thread has shared many excellent ideas on how to get better. I enjoy the exchange of ideas and information. The attacks get a bit tiresome.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #346 on: November 26, 2016, 05:56:42 PM »
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In going through the thread there was only two personal attacks I saw. One was on me, but it seems that doesn't matter.

 I also think sometimes this too can be a learning tool. Let's stop worrying about silliness & more about what we can do to develop coaches.

Oh, & I am still offended but no one cares about that.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #347 on: November 26, 2016, 06:03:48 PM »
I'm pretty sure I've never been too intimidated to post. 

I've been too annoyed to post a lot of times, though.

I keep a lot of what I do to PMs and phone calls because it means I won't have to deal with 45 pages of someone like Vince whining that it will never work with his team.

There's a group of coaches on here who discuss things way beyond what gets discussed here on the board, because it's way easier to do it in a phone call and not have to listen to how Vince's LG or somebody will never be able to do that.

When I have an idea I think could be really good, or that I've tried and really liked, there's a group of eight or ten coaches I call. It never sees the board. I'll hint at things once in a while, but it always gets lost in the discussion of how Nick Saban never has a defensive back with ADD. It's actually quicker, even with multiple phone calls, and more enjoyable, then getting mired in threads such as this one.

I think the kind of stuff that gets discussed in phone calls instead of on the board is what you should worry about getting posted. And stop worrying about Vince only whining 35 times a thread instead of 37.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #348 on: November 26, 2016, 06:19:31 PM »
I'm pretty sure I've never been too intimidated to post. 

I've been too annoyed to post a lot of times, though.

I keep a lot of what I do to PMs and phone calls because it means I won't have to deal with 45 pages of someone like Vince whining that it will never work with his team.

There's a group of coaches on here who discuss things way beyond what gets discussed here on the board, because it's way easier to do it in a phone call and not have to listen to how Vince's LG or somebody will never be able to do that.

When I have an idea I think could be really good, or that I've tried and really liked, there's a group of eight or ten coaches I call. It never sees the board. I'll hint at things once in a while, but it always gets lost in the discussion of how Nick Saban never has a defensive back with ADD. It's actually quicker, even with multiple phone calls, and more enjoyable, then getting mired in threads such as this one.

I think the kind of stuff that gets discussed in phone calls instead of on the board is what you should worry about getting posted. And stop worrying about Vince only whining 35 times a thread instead of 37.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #349 on: November 26, 2016, 06:22:13 PM »
K

Be careful they ask you to redesign everything.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #350 on: November 26, 2016, 06:31:41 PM »
Mike raised an interesting point. Is this sote inrended for the dad coach that's who's gonna stick around 3 years & then never be heard from again? Or is this site intended for the die hards?

I don't know he answer, or the originals intent. But I do know this: if you are on a message board, you are a nerd. Everyone that regularly posts here is a super football nerd. No question. I think we have a ton of lurkers and a few posters, because most people aren't football nerds like us. We're a rare breed. I think if we were all warm & cuddly the volume of lurker to die hard would be the same. In fact we'd prob have less activity, because warm & cuddly would get old to the die hards, & we'd just move on.

Basically I don't think lurkers don't post cuz their afraid. They don't post cuz they're not freaking nerds like we are. Like people are a-holes on twitter & facebook, but millions post there. Why? Cuz that sort of nerdiness appeals to them. We post here cuz this is where our inner nerd lies. Like, once every couple months i'll go on facebook & just lurk & not post anything. I enjoy reading what people are up to for a few minutes, then i'm out. I'd bet most lurkers on here are the same way. Posting on a football message board has no interest for them, but reading the info does.

Another example. I like to read a lot of articles online. But I have zero interest in being one of those people at the bottom that comments on the article. Just not my thing. Lurkers here have interest in the info provided here, but have no interest in interacting.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #351 on: November 26, 2016, 06:35:10 PM »
I am lurking and learning all the time and I do care that Joe got disrespected, lol, but seriously. We are very lucky to have someone like Joe to put his knowledge out there for all of us to learn from. I have just recently started studying Joe's stuff and everyday I realize I didn't know shit about football. I have coach SW for a few years and played all the way up through 1 year of college. I was an RB and just ran where they told me. Lol. Finally I am learning what I'm watching on TV, the game within the game. I don't even have a team right now but I'm learning in case the opportunity presents itself. Actually I have gotten an offer to coach but that would require me to move my son but I don't want to do that as he likes his current coach and team mates. I thank everyone that post on here from all the lurkers like myself.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #352 on: November 26, 2016, 06:39:27 PM »
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I think you are right. I also think the idea of the thread was how to get the nerds like us to better the non nerds.

I also think sometimes you need a little animosity to kick the board in the pants. It gets more people reading & posting.

Joe
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #353 on: November 26, 2016, 06:40:52 PM »
HP

You are a perfect example. in a thread I said just call. You did, & it was a great conversation.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #354 on: November 26, 2016, 06:42:13 PM »
I am lurking and learning all the time and I do care that Joe got disrespected, lol, but seriously. We are very lucky to have someone like Joe to put his knowledge out there for all of us to learn from. I have just recently started studying Joe's stuff and everyday I realize I didn't know shit about football. I have coach SW for a few years and played all the way up through 1 year of college. I was an RB and just ran where they told me. Lol. Finally I am learning what I'm watching on TV, the game within the game. I don't even have a team right now but I'm learning in case the opportunity presents itself. Actually I have gotten an offer to coach but that would require me to move my son but I don't want to do that as he likes his current coach and team mates. I thank everyone that post on here from all the lurkers like myself.

Heck I post so much I probably need some therapy or a life or something....but I still lurk. Some Members like joe are really good with the written word so no need for in-depth discussions. Fortunately this Forum does have quite a few Members that communicate really well.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #355 on: November 26, 2016, 06:49:28 PM »
I'm pretty sure I've never been too intimidated to post. 

I've been too annoyed to post a lot of times, though.

I keep a lot of what I do to PMs and phone calls because it means I won't have to deal with 45 pages of someone like Vince whining that it will never work with his team.

There's a group of coaches on here who discuss things way beyond what gets discussed here on the board, because it's way easier to do it in a phone call and not have to listen to how Vince's LG or somebody will never be able to do that.

When I have an idea I think could be really good, or that I've tried and really liked, there's a group of eight or ten coaches I call. It never sees the board. I'll hint at things once in a while, but it always gets lost in the discussion of how Nick Saban never has a defensive back with ADD. It's actually quicker, even with multiple phone calls, and more enjoyable, then getting mired in threads such as this one.

I think the kind of stuff that gets discussed in phone calls instead of on the board is what you should worry about getting posted. And stop worrying about Vince only whining 35 times a thread instead of 37.

Half of our phones calls not all that long ago were about encouraging you to post your thoughts and ideas more. I also encouraged many to simply call you because it was just easier and more entertaining for sure.  Now you just seem highly agitated for the most part.

I dont get it.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #356 on: November 26, 2016, 06:55:02 PM »
Not everything we talk about are facts and data

But some of it is and data and Facts don't care about feelings:

Ben Shapiro has an interesting way of stating it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p29wx_nQ4m0

What 20 pages worth of posts- I didnt see anyone calling anyone a bad word, questioning anyones integrity or intention- just disagreeing and stating opinions that some may disagree with. If someones feelings got hurt because one person didnt agree with the way they coached their team- they wont last very long as a youth coach

Your fellow coaches will do the same- some will make it personal
So will your peer coaches
So will your parents
You may even see it from your players
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #357 on: November 26, 2016, 07:03:16 PM »
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I think you are right. I also think the idea of the thread was how to get the nerds like us to better the non nerds.

I also think sometimes you need a little animosity to kick the board in the pants. It gets more people reading & posting.

Joe


Joe,

Kyle gave another good example. I've watched a million youtube videos, & never once posted a single comment under any of them. Just not my thing, even tho I love youtube & use it almost every day.

The more I think about it, I think this site is for the die hard nerds. Everyone else just gets to enjoy the fruit of our discussions.

And i'm always hearing about how these flamed discussions are a waste of time. & yet i've probably learned more from those discussions than any. If you guys didn't kill me in my SW thread, i'm prob not even posting here right now.  But you guys called me out, held back no punches, & that thread helped completely change who I am as a coach.

I've watched a lot of youth games. Watched a lot of film from coaches on this board. Frankly, 95% of the film I watch is not good at all. What I would consider extremely poor. Includining my own film from a few years ago. And frankly I wish more people had the balls to just come out & be honest w/ each other. Cuz that's the only way we're gonna ger better.

Few years ago I gave iur game film to a top notch WT coach. Told him to break it down & hold nothing back. It was film of an undefeated team, & i thought he was just gonna gush about how awesome we were. Instead he basically pointed out how bad we really were. To his eye, there were very few things we did right.

Holy crap was that an eye opener. But man, when I compare our film now to that team then, I see exactly what he was saying. We sucked. And if he had sugar coated it, we'd still suck. 
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #358 on: November 26, 2016, 07:25:49 PM »
Great idea. You're hired  :)

When I first started posting on the Internet I used to think every league was like mine....most every situation was like mine....more like minds like mine.

Wow....I was a million miles off and it took me a while to figure that out.  I think that is what gets lost....situations are so vastly different everywhere we all tend to judge.

Mike

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1000s of coaches- from Fairbanks Alaska to Key West Florida- 30+ states- 5 countries

Inevitably the night before the clinic the main guy will look me right in the eye and tell me- "We have a unique situation here"
Then he goes on to describe issues he's having that 80% + of us deal with/stuggle with
I have to smile because it's like the show Bar Rescue- you watch 5 shows- youve seen 100 shows

The other 20% of problems are another basket of situations and circumstances- that anyone that has coached in more than 4 leagues or 15 years has probably run into
We have A LOT more in common than we don't
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #359 on: November 26, 2016, 07:35:38 PM »
Telling someone what they are doing isnt going to be successful- helps them and helps other "lurkers" who may be making the same mistakes
If you dont want input on your ideas- or only positive feedback- then the dialog is worthless

How would it be kind and helpful to see someone driving 100 mph directly towards a cliff and not tell him to stop?
You can tell people whatever you like. What you imply and what is inferred is two very different things in many cases. A lot of that is the internet, but even more of it is people who are not ready to receive the freely given help. I think a lot things get solved quicker when it is asked for. You can assume they are ready for a real change. You have to be ready to hear that what you are doing is self destructive. Some people think driving off a cliff is the right thing to do.
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