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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #375 on: November 27, 2016, 12:19:53 AM »
Mike

Ive done well over 200 youth coaching clinics
1000s of coaches- from Fairbanks Alaska to Key West Florida- 30+ states- 5 countries

Inevitably the night before the clinic the main guy will look me right in the eye and tell me- "We have a unique situation here"
Then he goes on to describe issues he's having that 80% + of us deal with/stuggle with
I have to smile because it's like the show Bar Rescue- you watch 5 shows- youve seen 100 shows

The other 20% of problems are another basket of situations and circumstances- that anyone that has coached in more than 4 leagues or 15 years has probably run into
We have A LOT more in common than we don't

Dave

Im sure many things are commonplace League to League. I was talking more about things I never knew much about until about 2000. Basically everything PW.

Older Lighters

The dreaded weight matrix

Leagues that allowed rosters with 3 year swings age wise....

I remember getting Clarks DC46 in 2002 or so and it had one GINORMOUS hole in it.....that would only work in a PW format.

CB's posting up TE's. As you well know that will never work in unlimited weight. Clark had written his excellent manual for what he knew....PW. Then he started providing it to the masses and hello unlimited weight leagues. He helped me work it our for unlimited weight.

Then there are all the mandates and unique rules that exist....silly.

Stuff like that. I thought everyone was the same. Not even close.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #376 on: November 27, 2016, 12:48:24 AM »


That's why it bums me out that more coaches don't share their film & ask for an honest assessment.

I enjoy watching other Members filmclips. I share freely and couldn't give two chits what anyone thinks. Just fun to share. Heck I've even done a few blooper reels for grins. If you cant laugh at yourself....well...I feel sorry for you.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #377 on: November 27, 2016, 12:52:33 AM »
J

The first year I left MH, I went to watch my old team at the Nationals. Our TB had only been 13 & a 7th grader the year before. They replaced many of our players with even better talent. The guys coaching the team were guys I had coached with before or had mentored. So I went to their games honestly rooting for them.

First game they played an inferior team, yet struggled. At half time the OC asked me what I saw, I told him to run this play or that play only to hear "Oh we don't have those in, we didn't need them". This is the very thing I have spoken about in this thread, they were coaching to beat the mediocre teams not the really good ones. When they got to the championship they lost to a team with inferior talent but superior coaching. Without any of the complimentary plays they had no answer for a team who took away the base plays. Since then no one has made it back to FL.

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That is the best advise I have ever heard on this Forum.

Everything you do should be designed to beat that one team you can never seem to beat.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #378 on: November 27, 2016, 10:48:41 AM »
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It's not purely a design to beat 1 rather any good team.

Take trap as an example. We would work our version of Trap every week. Yet, in our league there was maybe one team we could run it against or needed it. However, I knew once we got to the Regional's or beyond it was an important play to have. Same with counter, you need it to stop Defenses from over flowing to the ball.

There are certain things good teams will do, both offensively & defensively that it's important to be prepared for. It's difficult when you travel to implement a game plan on a Hotel's Lido deck if it's things you hadn't practiced all year. I never believed you could just put a play in on the run & expect it to work in a big spot. If it's in your bag then it becomes easy.

Defensively, you had to be prepared for everything from 32 personnel to 5 wide empty. Your team needs to know how to adjust to unbalanced sets. You need a plan for the Goal Line as well as 3rd & 20.

Offensively, you need a plan for everything from a 5 man box to a 9 man box. You never know what you will see. That was one of the things with being a Zone team. We really didn't worry so much where they would line up as how many where in the box. I always talk about our last season we knew we would probably be playing a 3-5-3 team in the NC game. We had a 4 play series ready for that game weeks in advance. The first play went 67 yds to the house because we were ready & they weren't.

DC often talks about his sainted 6, he has many adjustments teams will often not work on because they feel they don't need them. Then they play a good team & they aren't ready. That's not on the players, it's on the coaches.

At the HS level we prepare our 2 pt plays every week. Now, we rarely if ever go for 2, but when we do our success ratio is very high since we are prepared. This is the type of preparation that is often overlooked.

Joe
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #379 on: November 27, 2016, 11:07:12 AM »
M

It's not purely a design to beat 1 rather any good team.

Take trap as an example. We would work our version of Trap every week. Yet, in our league there was maybe one team we could run it against or needed it. However, I knew once we got to the Regional's or beyond it was an important play to have. Same with counter, you need it to stop Defenses from over flowing to the ball.

There are certain things good teams will do, both offensively & defensively that it's important to be prepared for. It's difficult when you travel to implement a game plan on a Hotel's Lido deck if it's things you hadn't practiced all year. I never believed you could just put a play in on the run & expect it to work in a big spot. If it's in your bag then it becomes easy.

Defensively, you had to be prepared for everything from 32 personnel to 5 wide empty. Your team needs to know how to adjust to unbalanced sets. You need a plan for the Goal Line as well as 3rd & 20.

Offensively, you need a plan for everything from a 5 man box to a 9 man box. You never know what you will see. That was one of the things with being a Zone team. We really didn't worry so much where they would line up as how many where in the box. I always talk about our last season we knew we would probably be playing a 3-5-3 team in the NC game. We had a 4 play series ready for that game weeks in advance. The first play went 67 yds to the house because we were ready & they weren't.

DC often talks about his sainted 6, he has many adjustments teams will often not work on because they feel they don't need them. Then they play a good team & they aren't ready. That's not on the players, it's on the coaches.

At the HS level we prepare our 2 pt plays every week. Now, we rarely if ever go for 2, but when we do our success ratio is very high since we are prepared. This is the type of preparation that is often overlooked.

Joe


Spot on.

I failed in this area this past season. The upper echelon teams in my division could pass very well. We worked in some different coverage's that held up nicely but I really should have  worked on better pass rushing stunts because these QBs were all very good runners. That caught up with me and I had the best DL in the division....and we were very deep.

All season our D was just a bit...off.

Still kicking myself.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #380 on: November 27, 2016, 11:23:25 AM »
M

One of the weakness of the 3-5-3 is the pass rush stunts. I started research after our season & one interesting concept I have seen is that coaches will label their stunts as either Rush Stunts or Run Stunts. So the Run stunts would be simple gap switch assignments & the pass stunts involving twits & loops while maintaining contain on the passer.

Joe
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #381 on: November 27, 2016, 11:45:42 AM »
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I think you are right. I also think the idea of the thread was how to get the nerds like us to better the non nerds.

I also think sometimes you need a little animosity to kick the board in the pants. It gets more people reading & posting.

Joe

Joe, somehow I have feeling, and that feeling comes from experience, that if the shoe were on the other foot, you would be against the animosity on the board. I am always amazed at so many people want to twist the rules to their own benefit whenever it fits their own agenda. no matter the blatant hypocrisy in doing so.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #382 on: November 27, 2016, 01:45:04 PM »
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First, some of the "animosity" was definitely directed my way.  I have had many times on here that have been attacked or my views questioned. Usually those wind up being the best threads because idea get exchanged.

In case you weren't aware, I am Coach Cianflone. I think Michael mentioned it somewhere in this thread. I do wonder where the blatant hypocrisy was.

Second, had you met me 30 some odd years ago; I was definitely arrogant & egotistical. You either did things my way or you were an idiot. i also had no problem flaunting my record to back myself up. Time, age, & experience has mellowed me quite a bit of that. I have also learned through my own mistakes that there is more than one way to coach a football team. I no longer believe it's all about the system you run, rather how you coach your players.

Lastly, I am a coach what you know guy. That doesn't mean never change what you run, simply put an effort to learn what you are doing.

Joe
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #383 on: November 27, 2016, 01:56:58 PM »
007

First, some of the "animosity" was definitely directed my way.  I have had many times on here that have been attacked or my views questioned. Usually those wind up being the best threads because idea get exchanged.

In case you weren't aware, I am Coach Cianflone. I think Michael mentioned it somewhere in this thread. I do wonder where the blatant hypocrisy was.

Second, had you met me 30 some odd years ago; I was definitely arrogant & egotistical. You either did things my way or you were an idiot. i also had no problem flaunting my record to back myself up. Time, age, & experience has mellowed me quite a bit of that. I have also learned through my own mistakes that there is more than one way to coach a football team. I no longer believe it's all about the system you run, rather how you coach your players.

Lastly, I am a coach what you know guy. That doesn't mean never change what you run, simply put an effort to learn what you are doing.

Joe

I don't think anything  is  any real blatant animosity on this board. I am not talking about this thread necessarily. I do however think there is more than one person who thinks that it is somehow about them.

My remark though is more about when animosity is tolerated in general though. And how quickly it is alright for hostility when allowed to do it. Again, But when somebody a regular is doing it wrong, hostility is no longer needed. That is opinion.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #384 on: November 27, 2016, 02:03:20 PM »
007

I have my thoughts who you may be but really  don't. That is your choice, I always post who I am.

Joe
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #385 on: November 27, 2016, 02:09:12 PM »
007

I have my thoughts who you may be but really  don't. That is your choice, I always post who I am.

Joe

Just responded to one of your post.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #386 on: November 27, 2016, 02:11:55 PM »
Just responded to one of your post.
Huh?
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« Reply #387 on: November 27, 2016, 02:13:22 PM »
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #388 on: November 27, 2016, 02:18:48 PM »
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The thing is there is self development & then developing those that coach with you. My intentions in this thread was to give coaches idea's how to develop those that coach with them. As JC & Mahonz have put it, not everyone is a coaching geek. That is why I believe it's important to have the social aspect as well as the geekiness aspect.

As to who you actually are, does it really matter?

Joe
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« Reply #389 on: November 27, 2016, 02:31:08 PM »
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The thing is there is self development & then developing those that coach with you. My intentions in this thread was to give coaches idea's how to develop those that coach with them. As JC & Mahonz have put it, not everyone is a coaching geek. That is why I believe it's important to have the social aspect as well as the geekiness aspect.

As to who you actually are, does it really matter?

Joe

So here is my take, If you don't have the geek, the social does not matter. Almost every coaching staff in the park I volunteer is social. I do not understand why developing people who have zero interest in getting better is relevant. You are better off coaching it yourself and getting parents to serve as supplement.
As to who I am , it must be important. You have asked 4 times  either directly or indirectly about my identity. I don't trust actual family that much, much less people who I have little to no interaction with on a personal level. Then you add what a mine field called the internet is ? Chances are my identity stays as it is. I do not care who you think I am. I have long since realized that nothing I have is forever and I live that way.
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