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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #405 on: November 27, 2016, 05:08:05 PM »
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I talked about early in this thread, having coaches to my house once or twice a month. We would have coffee or other beverages & draw on the window. I would primarily do the clinicing but I always gave the marker to a coach to start. It's a great way to learn what they know.

It is impossible to show up the first day of practice assign coaches a position & go practice. We would even draw the drills on a window, everything we did was planned. Practice plans were down to 5 minute increments. Everything was coordinated.

Being a HC doesn't mean you have to be a dictator, merely the final decision is yours.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #406 on: November 27, 2016, 05:15:34 PM »
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I just find it amusing that it's ok to chastise me, but heaven help us if we speak our mind at an inane post. We both know you were spoiled working with our friend. Lately it has been more of what the norm is, & many of those guys refuse to learn.

You have seen a draw on the sliding door session, you know I try to be open to other ideas. Coaching isn't so much about what you know rather what you can teach.  That is where the frustrating part can come in.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #407 on: November 27, 2016, 05:17:45 PM »
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I couldn't agree with you more. Do you remember my DC from MH? He started coaching at 20, I made him my DC at 21. He was coaching at one the top HS in NC at 22.

He was a blank slate who spent a lot of time drawing on the window with me.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #408 on: November 27, 2016, 05:21:11 PM »
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He is married with a baby, & no time to coach. Great young man, I still hear from his dad now & again.

Joe
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #409 on: November 27, 2016, 05:23:05 PM »
Him and Mike IIRC? Were really into it
Im sure you had a lot to do with that
Cracked me up trying to listen to all you guys at Dinner- 2-3-4 conversations going on at once
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #410 on: November 27, 2016, 05:27:26 PM »
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It was a good thing the barbecue joint had paper plates. I was very lucky to have all those guys. I miss Paul, he was a great O Line coach, & could coach at any level. We still talk all the time.

It's amazing how many of those players are still playing, most at the D1 level. I just watched Riley beat Houston.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #411 on: November 27, 2016, 05:39:26 PM »
Ive said that 100s of times- right here on this forum

The goal is maxing out your talent equation
Then putting together your team- not to survive or come close- but designed from day 1 to win it all- beat the best team

Yes....its the best advise I have ever heard on this Forum. Clark pounds on that idea as well.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #412 on: November 27, 2016, 07:58:32 PM »
Joe is the best football mind here and someone I consider a friend(we do know each other away from here). Joe is generous to a fault with his knowledge and time.

100% agree because it's 100% true.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #413 on: November 28, 2016, 10:03:28 AM »
I have always stated that I was lucky as a young coach to have a great set of mentors. They were never evasive or held anything back when I asked a thousand silly questions. Many of the things they said back then hold true today. If in some small way I can help another coach it's purely as a thanks to my mentors.

One was a legendary NYC HS coach. His men's club meetings were every Monday at 7 pm, Monday's were also when our clubhouse was open. We would wait outside for him to come walking by. He always stopped & chatted. Often he would come in & go on the chalk board. He was a worse X's & O's geek than any of us. He would show us the latest scheme's & bang new idea's around. He would show up at our Spring Practices & help us install things & teach us drills. One season we got to repay the favor by helping him practice one week.

Another was a former marine DI, he not only knew football but he also knew people. He was as funny as you could imagine also as serious as a heartbeat. He really stressed tempo in practice & never wasting time. He only had the chance to coach HS for 1 season. He took a team that had been win less to a division championship. The next season a big shot at his job made sure he couldn't coach the HS. The big shot's son played for a rival school.

If in some small way I help anyone it's a thank you to those guys.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #414 on: November 28, 2016, 10:49:42 AM »
Why would you come into a thread in Joe's section about how Joe thinks around developing coaches and then have the balls to criticize how Joe is responding?  If you're too offended to take his advice, then go click on somebody else's thread! Not that I think anyone is being hyper-critical of Joe in here, but just thinking, WTF - this is Joe's thread!!! 

Vince - think what you want to think, I'm not trying to defend Michael, but I will share my experience. I probably have over 10k posts on various message boards (not just coaching) over the past 15 years. In all that time, Michael is the only poster who almost made me leave a site.  I was very close to hanging it up on here because of him.  Then I took the opportunity presented when he came through Boston and met him.  He's nothing like I thought he'd be. I am shaking my head at a few of his posts in this thread, I think he went a tad overboard, but again, there's more to him than how he presents at times. Mahonz tried to tell me that, but I didn't really understand it until I met him.

Anyway, back to this thread - I think what sometimes gets lost in the shuffle on here is that sometimes all somebody really wants to be is adequate to good vs. great. I have freely shared that there is a point at which I will say "good enough" with what we do. I'm okay that I'm not Potter or Cisar or Cianflone (sorry if I misspelled that Joe).  Up until this year, I was satisfied with what I was doing. There is only so hard I'm going to work at this stuff before it ceases to be worth it. This year I wasn't satisfied, so I'll roll my sleeves up and look to change a few things and get better at a couple of things in the off-season. But there will still be a line at which I'll say "yeah, I know that's better, but nah, too much work".

I think the problem comes when coaches aren't honest with themselves about where that line is for them.  We all draw it somewhere, it's okay to admit that you draw it more on the "adequate" than "excellent" side of the scale. But too many won't do that, they'll make excuses, they'll argue, etc. and so forth.

Fact is, someone can get enough on here to be good without killing themselves, they just need to understand who they are and what they want. So I'm not advocating that we cater to that attitude - I don't believe our goal as a site should be to be okay with adequate. And I find it hard to believe that someone would come on here, read these threads, and then decide not to coach. I can understand if they get too offended to take the help offered, and go forward sucking instead of working towards adequosity (TV show reference - anyone get it?), but to walk away from coaching entirely because they are intimidated by this board?  I don't think I buy that.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #415 on: November 28, 2016, 10:59:43 AM »
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Most coaches set high standards, but the best coaches hold people accountable to meeting those standards.

I read this on twitter yesterday & thought of this thread. I have never met a player who thought his team didn't work hard. Every team every where thinks they are doing what it takes to great. Most aren't, I know our team didn't last season. There is a huge difference in how a great team does things & how a mediocre team does things. What is disturbing is when the mediocre teams think they have done all they could.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #416 on: November 28, 2016, 11:11:43 AM »
And I find it hard to believe that someone would come on here, read these threads, and then decide not to coach. I can understand if they get too offended to take the help offered, and go forward sucking instead of working towards adequosity (TV show reference - anyone get it?), but to walk away from coaching entirely because they are intimidated by this board?  I don't think I buy that.

I was being hypothetical. There are some terrifying Threads on this Forum that can intimidate those unsure of what they might have gotten themselves into.

Or not....just some food for thought.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #417 on: November 28, 2016, 01:57:03 PM »
There are some terrifying Threads on this Forum that can intimidate those unsure of what they might have gotten themselves into.

Other than the "Just Voted" thread, I can't think of a one.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #418 on: November 28, 2016, 04:19:49 PM »
Other than the "Just Voted" thread, I can't think of a one.

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Just go read OCD's Threads  :P

Oh wait....I think that Voted Thread was one of his. Anyway...he has a few horror stories to share.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #419 on: November 28, 2016, 04:26:36 PM »
When i 1st came on this board Feb 2015 i thought it was the greatest thing ever.Prior to being part of DC i was only on Buck Sweep and talk about being intimidated look at some of the names that post regularly. Bottom line if your confident in what you do and know it in and out you shouldn't worry about what other people say or think.When I is 1st came here it was full great football talk and great details on what is to be a youth Coach. Over the last year THOSE RESOURCEFUL threads seem to be happening less and less and i find it hard to post because those useful threads are far and few between. And after reading some of the responses to this thread why say anything you might offend somebody which in my opinion  if something here offends you or intimidates then you shouldn't be Coaching Football there's other sports that are more suited for you.
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