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Offline angalton

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #495 on: December 02, 2016, 08:24:53 PM »
I understand what you are saying about teams letting off the gas, but all these coaches talk about is early gaming other teams. It is in bragging fashion. There is a considerable difference in my own team, in the second half. It is the speed of our actions and Physicality that change. It doesn't seem right, but it is a noticeable difference.
 They just don't look like they want to play football. Wether that is scared or something totally different.
  Drills I have used are sumos, t-time, Oklahomas, gauntlet, one on one passing/ coverage, whose ball , etc.
  I really need to figure out what is going on. Team rosters are not very big for any team. 17-22 kids and 3 teams pick and choose who is on there team. 
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #496 on: December 02, 2016, 09:41:06 PM »
I understand what you are saying about teams letting off the gas, but all these coaches talk about is early gaming other teams. It is in bragging fashion.

--Oh brother... ::)

There is a considerable difference in my own team, in the second half. It is the speed of our actions and Physicality that change. It doesn't seem right, but it is a noticeable difference.
 They just don't look like they want to play football. Wether that is scared or something totally different.
  Drills I have used are sumos, t-time, Oklahomas, gauntlet, one on one passing/ coverage, whose ball , etc.
  I really need to figure out what is going on.

--I wish I knew what to tell you.  I know it isn't scheme or drills, but how you teach both.  And having never been to your practices, I'm at a loss of what to tell you.  I just wish I knew what to say.  Dang.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #497 on: December 03, 2016, 12:16:23 AM »
That's what we did; played one quarter of football right up to kick-off.

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I know you used to. I kinda stole your idea, lol.   :D

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #498 on: December 03, 2016, 08:38:27 AM »
I need to film my practices. I may find the problems there, most likely. Intrasquad scrimmage will also be on the to do list. It could be nerves that snowball until half time. I don't know if the opposing coaches are trying to be nice, but they all complement my teams never Quit attitude. They even comment about how we seem like a different team, from one half to another. First half we have more false starts, turn overs, bad snaps, poor tackling and angles, and pass coverage is non existent. Second have we have more encroachment, blocks in the back, and personal foul penalties. All of those penalties drive me crazy, because they are all drive killers and drive extenders. I see we look very poorly coached and then it looks like we have somewhat of a clue. I do realize that it is all a reflection of the coach. No excuses, I will try and fix this problem.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #499 on: December 03, 2016, 09:17:13 AM »
A

I had a thread on here, running drills vs ruining drills. I am not saying you are ruining drills simply you are not Dave Potter. This seems to be a common theme, we do everything SO & SO does, but our team 0-196.

As to addressing your problem there are several things that come to my mind. The very first is Performance Anxiety, in most cases the coach doesn't even realize he is doing this to his team. My first year as a HC we get to State Championship game, I was nervous & terrified. It showed directly with team. We played the 1st half like zombies. We won, but valuable lesson learned. I would never allow my team to feed off my feelings. First I would always put on the brave act no matter what, & second from that day forward I reminded them it was a game & go have fun.

The next issue with Performance Anxiety is the feeling of not being prepared for the moment. This can be a totally psychological feeling or an actual one. They practice in a park, with no one around. The game comes there is these funny guys in striped shirts, people in the stands. Hey this is nothing like practice. When I coached in Brooklyn we started our game with the same play every game year in & year out. This wasn't arrogance, rather it was so our team knew what was coming. Today we have a 3 or 4 play series we start every game with for the same reasons. We are prepared to start the game.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #500 on: December 03, 2016, 09:22:47 AM »
I need to film my practices. I may find the problems there, most likely.

--I don't know why you don't.  At least early on in the season.  You don't need to record the entire practice, but absolutely video certain drills.

It could be nerves that snowball until half time.

--Nerves happen when teams know they aren't prepared.

I don't know if the opposing coaches are trying to be nice, but they all complement my teams never Quit attitude. They even comment about how we seem like a different team, from one half to another.

--I always try to find nice things to say to my opponent after beating them.

First half we have more false starts, turn overs, bad snaps, poor tackling and angles, and pass coverage is non existent. Second have we have more encroachment, blocks in the back, and personal foul penalties. All of those penalties drive me crazy, because they are all drive killers and drive extenders. I see we look very poorly coached and then it looks like we have somewhat of a clue.

--Wait a minute, Eric.....I'm not understanding what you just said:  1st Half you have false starts, turn overs, bad snaps, poor tackling and angles and no pass coverage.  2nd Half you have encroachment, blocks in the back, and personal foul penalties.  Yet, you claim your performance is much better in the 2nd Half??

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #501 on: December 03, 2016, 09:30:21 AM »
They practice in a park, with no one around. The game comes there is these funny guys in striped shirts, people in the stands. Hey this is nothing like practice.

Good point, Joe.  This is why we preferred to travel for a pre-season game or scrimmage.  I wanted our players to be exposed to travel, adverse environment and such.  Wanted our parents to see what it was like, too.  So when we played our first conference game, we were more prepared to deal with the nervous excitement.

--Dave
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #502 on: December 03, 2016, 09:36:05 AM »
DP

I found the team & the coaches feed off the HC's attitude. I too loved to play that first game or scrimmage away. On game day I always had my "act" ready. I exuded confidence without being arrogant. I stressed to the players this is why we play for these moments. I made it important to enjoy the moment.

Joe
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #503 on: December 03, 2016, 09:39:00 AM »
Eric, in the end, I can't figure out how to resolve your struggles.  I am entrenched firmly in the camp that says if you know what to teach, if you know how to teach, you push your players to the brink of failure while maintaining an attitude of success, then your team will be successful.  I had a PowerPoint from a clinic I gave years ago that said, "Coach your team like you are the national champions and expect to be again this year."  In other words, if you were the national champs and knew (in advance) that you were going to be again this season, imagine how confidently you would coach.  That's ALWAYS what we tried to project.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #504 on: December 03, 2016, 09:52:12 AM »
DP

Stealing a line from Jimbo Fisher, " Practice like every play is for the National Championship". This is exactly why I love making everything we do competitive. A couple of years ago we went through exactly the same scenario in practice that occurred in the game. Overtime, & we need a stop to win. We did it with starters & 2nd teams. Don't you know we had the very situation that week. Our second team OLB in due to injury makes the play to stop them on 4th & goal from the 1. He was 140 lbs their back was 225, he stoned him 1 yd deep in the backfield. The team pounded him in congratulations, walking off the field he said,"just like we practiced coach".

Joe
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #505 on: December 03, 2016, 10:25:20 AM »
Good point, Joe.  This is why we preferred to travel for a pre-season game or scrimmage.  I wanted our players to be exposed to travel, adverse environment and such.  Wanted our parents to see what it was like, too.  So when we played our first conference game, we were more prepared to deal with the nervous excitement.

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Hmm. Interesting point.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #506 on: December 03, 2016, 10:30:33 AM »
A kid misses a block in a game and the ball carrier gets drilled and fumbles, and the coach goes insane.

A kid misses a block in a drill, and the coach says, "Come on now.  NEXT!"

Maybe that dude needs to step up his practice approach.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #507 on: December 03, 2016, 10:34:04 AM »
Eric, in the end, I can't figure out how to resolve your struggles.  I am entrenched firmly in the camp that says if you know what to teach, if you know how to teach, you push your players to the brink of failure while maintaining an attitude of success, then your team will be successful.  I had a PowerPoint from a clinic I gave years ago that said, "Coach your team like you are the national champions and expect to be again this year."  In other words, if you were the national champs and knew (in advance) that you were going to be again this season, imagine how confidently you would coach.  That's ALWAYS what we tried to project.

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This could be it 100%. I don't get up or down, I just tell them to do their job to best of their abilities. The score will represent how we do our jobs today. I kind of put it all on them.
As for the second half penalties, although better, stopped us from scoring 3-4 touchdowns instead of 1 or 2. 2nd half penalties were not as many. Although we  have won some games, I think your right with my attitude. I go in thinking we are going to win, but I'm not reinforcing it. 25-2 in 3 years to 14-18 in 4 years. Two very bad years of 2-7. Both of those years the losses were lopsided. I have to believe we are going to win, not we might win. The hard part is changing my mindset know we are going to win, instead of we could win if. Just to add, all penalties are unacceptable. They will absolutely kill you and your momentum. I appreciate your feedback and sorry Joe if I took the subject off track.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #508 on: December 03, 2016, 10:40:25 AM »
I really need to get out and watch some good coaches run practice or two.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #509 on: December 03, 2016, 11:00:31 AM »
A kid misses a block in a game and the ball carrier gets drilled and fumbles, and the coach goes insane.

A kid misses a block in a drill, and the coach says, "Come on now.  NEXT!"

Maybe that dude needs to step up his practice approach.
Wow...I actually agree with you on something! I don't how many times in the course of a practice I've had kids go 3, 4, and 5+ times until they could get some blocking or tackling technique correct.