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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #510 on: December 03, 2016, 11:11:05 AM »
Wow...I actually agree with you on something! I don't how many times in the course of a practice I've had kids go 3, 4, and 5+ times until they could get some blocking or tackling technique correct.

I'm ALWAYS one and done.  I like them to have an incentive to get it right the first time.  If they screw it up, they can spend a few minutes in line being bitter.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #511 on: December 03, 2016, 11:25:43 AM »
I'm ALWAYS one and done.  I like them to have an incentive to get it right the first time.  If they screw it up, they can spend a few minutes in line being bitter.

It's more effective to tell them why they failed and move on to the next guy in line than to have them repeat the drill right then?
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #512 on: December 03, 2016, 11:33:14 AM »
It's more effective to tell them why they failed and move on to the next guy in line than to have them repeat the drill right then?
just show what they did, and tell them what you want. Do not berate, do not tell them they did it wrong. Correct and move on.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #513 on: December 03, 2016, 11:51:14 AM »
I don't know I am the direct opposite.

A kid misses a block in a game and the ball carrier gets drilled and fumbles, and the coach goes insane.

A kid misses a block in a drill, and the coach says, "Come on now.  NEXT!"


In a game I am much calmer & positive, at practice is the place to jump a player. We have a motto, " The most important play of the game is the next play", we preach it, teach it & live it.

Practice is about long time memory, & the game is short term memory.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #514 on: December 03, 2016, 11:54:08 AM »
If the rep. wasn't great, I usually walk through a replay of it with me as them and with them as the guy they were facing. I show them what I want, what they did, and then what I want again.

The line is always a row alongside the drill rather than a column behind it, so every kid can see everything.

Then winner stays, loser gets in line, and the next kid gets in. We'll usually give the new kid a reminder of something he should be trying to do, based on what happened last rep. with him.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #515 on: December 03, 2016, 02:40:00 PM »
I really need to get out and watch some good coaches run practice or two.

This is always a curious question for me.

Do you mean a HS coach? A youth coach that wins a lot? A coach that has been around a while?

I went and watched one of our local HS Programs practice a few years ago for a couple of days. They lost State last year and play for it again today. I found it slow and rather mundane with a lot of chalks and walks. One of the coaches on my staff has a son on this HS team so I asked him about this. He said they dont win games in the Fall, they win them in the Spring.

If I ran my practice like they do with say 4th graders...I would lose them all in 30 minutes. Maybe my timing was bad...not sure but I wasn't about to start questioning their methods.

I can see a HC coach visiting a College program for tips....hard to say if a youth coach could really get much visiting a HS program. I know Michael enjoys visiting DLS but he has to reinvent some things so that he can apply it to the youth levels....like all that sled work. Not many sleds available to the average youth team.


Just thinking out loud. This topic comes up every now and then and I always wonder...can a youth coach really get much out of visiting a HS practice unless he attends for a couple of weeks and gleans the bigger picture.

I coached a kid whose father was the HC for one of the local Private HS Programs. We were a successful team and so was his team. We asked him once if attending his practice sessions might help us. His response....his Staff should attend some of our practice sessions. I didnt expect that answer at all. When I asked him why he admitted when the kids get older and the game becomes more serious some of the energy gets lost.

Exactly what I saw with the HS team mentioned earlier. Too buttoned up business like.

I still think an off season mentor is the best avenue. Then bounce stuff off your mentor in season.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #516 on: December 03, 2016, 02:45:08 PM »
I've seen DLS and Kentucky men's basketball in the past five weeks. I always pick up something. Calipari's new book is pretty good, by the way.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #517 on: December 03, 2016, 02:49:45 PM »
I've seen DLS and Kentucky men's basketball in the past five weeks. I always pick up something. Calipari's new book is pretty good, by the way.

Good for the less experienced? You have more experience coaching than most everyone on this Forum so you have mastered applications when it comes to teaching others.

Its like Glazier for the inexperienced youth coach. He could wander around for days, leave with a stack of info and then have absolutely no clue how to apply it.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #518 on: December 03, 2016, 02:54:52 PM »
Going to watch someone practice is always a timing thing. We love to go watch college practices in the Spring. Great place to get ideas even though there is a different vibe in November during rivalry week. Still there is always something a coach can get from watching a good program.

It may something as simple as how they stretch. Michael talked to me about watching DLS when a player went off side no one said a word they just lined up to cross fields.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #519 on: December 03, 2016, 03:03:58 PM »
M

You will also have guys who get the wrong idea from what they see. Somebody watching a team getting disciplined with up downs may thing that's how to teach tackling.

Joe
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #520 on: December 03, 2016, 03:19:33 PM »
Anybody worth their salt is going to do research on what they see. If somebody is silly enough to go to a practice and try and copy it verbatim, without any further due diligence? some of you may have a point. But most working, functional people can understand there is more to what somebody else is doing than meets the eye.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #521 on: December 03, 2016, 03:20:40 PM »
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You will also have guys who get the wrong idea from what they see. Somebody watching a team getting disciplined with up downs may thing that's how to teach tackling.

Joe


Good point. I dont think you can ask and then just show up int he stands and get much out of the experience. You almost have to be involved even if that is simply some Q&A sessions before or after the session.

I've had a few ask to come to one of our practice sessions. They did but I never knew they were there until afterwards. Had I known they were present I'd have put them too work !
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #522 on: December 03, 2016, 03:24:47 PM »
Anybody worth their salt is going to do research on what they see. If somebody is silly enough to go to a practice and try and copy it verbatim, without any further due diligence? some of you may have a point. But most working, functional people can understand there is more to what somebody else is doing than meets the eye.

I disagree. Coaching is way to personal to be generalized.

My latest experience....had I only known what they were working on would have been very helpful. I couldn't tell specifically....just generally.  OL guys were doing OL stuff, DB's DB stuff...and so on. But what specifically....who knows.

I got nuttin'  :P
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #523 on: December 03, 2016, 03:29:56 PM »
I disagree. Coaching is way to personal to be generalized.

My latest experience....had I only known what they were working on would have been very helpful. I couldn't tell specifically....just generally.  OL guys were doing OL stuff, DB's DB stuff...and so on. But what specifically....who knows.

I got nuttin'  :P
That is my point. You didn't go oh hey let me try that, with no knowledge. I may be misreading your post.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #524 on: December 03, 2016, 04:28:44 PM »
To me, the biggest things that the average youth coach would probably take from a HS practice would be:
A. Practice Organization and
B. Specific positional drills
As a youth coach, that might make the most sense to me. I don't think that the average youth coach is going to be able to pick up the more subtle nuances like mentality, physicality, and tempo of practices. I think that they will go to a practice and ask, "What drills do you do?"