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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #540 on: December 05, 2016, 04:52:14 PM »
Well, if they haven't learned by then I think they are fair game.  My bet is they probably wouldn't get your point, either.  Which makes things all the more enjoyable.

But feel free to hammer on the guy with the Colorado State avatar and just over 300 posts.  He might even get a laugh out of it.

Usually, when things get ugly and I jump in, it's to peel a heavy hitter off of a new guy.  Like an enforcer in hockey.  "Sure would be a shame if anybody got hurt out here." ;)
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #541 on: December 05, 2016, 05:04:40 PM »
I don't see you as an Orland Kurtenbach, more like a Reggie Flemming.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #542 on: December 05, 2016, 06:42:08 PM »
Kent:

There's nothing wrong with being a Dad who wants to help out!  It's absolutely necessary for some of us to have Parents willing to Help.   However, there is a huge difference between a Dad who can hold a pad or run a drill so I can evaluate kids, and one who is "A Coach".

I have had plenty of Dads helped out.  Their assistance was and is much appreciated.  I have had a tiny a few who were willing to spend some time reading and ask questions about Who, What, Why, and How.  Unfortunately, we all have seen the outcome of those Coaches who can't, won't, or don't take the time to understand and be able to teach Who, What, Why, and How.  They do reality shows that make us all look like Raving Lunatics and Sadists! 

To that end I say Hey Mom and Dad if you want to help out, that's absolutely fantastic, talk the your coaches and see what they need.  On the other hand, if you want to be a decent Coach, be prepared to spend the time and effort it takes to learn so that you are prepared to Teach.   

2 things every Coach here will attest to:

1) They didnt know as much as they thought they did when they started coaching ........
2) X's and O's look great on paper!  However, X's and O's dont move when the ball is snapped! 

There's always someone who knows more or gets more out of their squad.  Find the tid bits from them and those around you that help you get better.   

JMHO

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #543 on: December 06, 2016, 08:31:08 AM »
I've mentioned "expectation," "confidence" and "demand" in several posts.  My expectation this season was to win the conference title and to go undefeated.  We did neither.  We dominated only two opponents (an 0-8 opponent and a 3-5 opponent).  We didn't have a great deal of exceptional talent.  (We were solid, but everyone in 4A high school is solid.  The coaching is sound and the rosters are very large.)  We weren't fast (only three players on the roster ran the 40 in under 5 seconds, and no one was faster than 4.7).  We weren't big.  And I had 56 players who were completely new to me, 25 of them just up from middle school.  14 of our players had "never played before."  (For those who think "experience" is the be all/end all.)  I tried to make us physical and cause turnovers (We were and did.  More on that in another post.)  Injuries, academics and the Varsity pulling players also took a toll.  By season's end, we had lost two starting Defensive Linemen, two starting Safeties, a starting Guard, a starting Tackle, a starting Wide Out and a starting RB.  Most people think that a team that finished 8-1 and averaged 31 points per game was probably a dominant team.  We weren't.  I went back through our stat book to see how many times we trailed in games this year.  We were behind a lot.  So while we always had the expectation of winning, we trailed in seven games and in some games trailed several times.  Teams that trail and quit will always lose.  Teams that trail but are confident in their prep will usually win.

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Game 1:  Trailed 7-0 in 1st Quarter.  Trailed 14-0 in 2nd Quarter.  Won, 32-26.

Game 2:  Trailed 7-6 in 1st Quarter.  Trailed 14-6 in 2nd Quarter.  Trailed 21-14 in 3rd Quarter.   Won, 33-28.

Game 3:  Never trailed.  Won, 37-0.

Game 4:  Trailed 8-7 in 1st Quarter.  Won, 29-14.

Game 5:  Never trailed.  Won 32-6.

Game 6:  Trailed 7-0 in 1st Quarter.  Won, 27-14.

Game 7:  Trailed 14-7 in 1st Quarter.  Trailed 21-7 in 2nd Quarter.  Trailed 28-20 in 3rd Quarter.  Trailed 28-26 in 4th Quarter.  Won, 34-28.

Game 8:  Trailed 7-0 in 1st Quarter.  Tied 7-7 in 1st Quarter.  Led 14-7 in 1st Quarter.  Tied 14-14 in 1st Quarter.  Trailed 20-14 in 2nd Quarter.  Trailed 27-14 in 2nd Quarter.  Trailed 27-21 in 2nd Quarter.  Trailed 34-21 in 3rd Quarter.  Lost, 34-28.

Game 9:  Trailed 7-0 in 1st Quarter.  Trailed 14-7 in 2nd Quarter.  Trailed 17-7 in 2nd Quarter.  Trailed 23-14 in 4th Quarter.  Won, 27-23. 
« Last Edit: December 06, 2016, 08:33:08 AM by CoachDP »
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #544 on: December 06, 2016, 09:18:08 AM »
Coaches talk about "habits" as in the more you win, the easier it is to win, and vice versa.  I'm not sure if the winning or the trailing was the "habit."  I guess it was both.

The halftime scores shows 7 of these games where the outcome was still "in doubt."  Our halftime leads were by 4, 1 and 7 and our halftime deficits were by 14, 7 and 9.

Score at Halftime:

Game 1:  18-14 (ahead)

Game 2:  14-14 (tie)

Game 4:  9-8 (ahead)

Game 6:  14-7 (ahead)

Game 7:  21-7 (behind)

Game 8:  27-21 (behind)

Game 9:  23-14 (behind)


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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #545 on: December 06, 2016, 10:08:15 AM »
Creating the winning habit in sports is just like anything else. Repeat the winning process over and over again. Almost like muscle memory but on a larger scale. A great team can run its practices minus the coaches after a few weeks for the most part. They can do this because the coaches have instilled a great routine, work ethic, attitude, and accountability.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #546 on: December 06, 2016, 10:11:46 AM »
Here is my first and second half scores.

First Half
Game 1: 0-26 F 0-26
Game 2: 0-12 F 6-12
Game 3: 15-0 F 41-0
Game 4: 14-13 F 44-13
Game 5: 0-23 F 6-29
Game 6: 6-32 F 18-34
Game 7: 0-28 F 6-35
Game 8: 0-20 F 0-41
Game 9: 0-32 G 6-32

This not being competitive at all. I do believe I know what I have to fix in my coaching. I will be curious at looking at this at the end of next year. This is a fine example of what you do not want to happen. Coach Potter thanks, I truly believe where I have gone astray.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #547 on: December 06, 2016, 10:21:10 AM »
Biggest problem areas were Pass D, false starts and botched snaps.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #548 on: December 06, 2016, 10:27:51 AM »
Eric, I counted how many times (from above) that we trailed.  There were 20 times. We were used to trailing.  It had gotten to be a habit.  And we could have easily gone 3-6 if we'd gotten down on ourselves, lost belief or confidence but that never happened.  Even in the game we lost (34-28), our opponent scored only one TD in the second half (on a punt return, which on closer review had a block in the back that wasn't called.  Perhaps I should post that clip here.  lol).  Again, my point is that we knew (thought) we were going to win.   We didn't panic.  Players got frustrated, but because they knew what the expectation was.  And the expectation was that no one could beat us.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #549 on: December 06, 2016, 10:29:30 AM »
Biggest problem areas were Pass D, false starts and botched snaps.

False starts and botched snaps are you just kicking your own butt.  Make your opponent have to beat you.  Don't just give them keys to a door that isn't even locked.  That's making it waay too easy for you to get robbed.  You might as well leave your wallet on the dash of your car while the windows are rolled down.

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« Last Edit: December 06, 2016, 10:31:01 AM by CoachDP »
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #550 on: December 06, 2016, 10:48:07 AM »
False starts and botched snaps are you just kicking your own butt.  Make your opponent have to beat you.  Don't just give them keys to a door that isn't even locked.  That's making it waay too easy for you to get robbed.  You might as well leave your wallet on the dash of your car while the windows are rolled down.

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  I did not understand these mistakes. Nerves had them playing like crap. Pass coverage was , when the ball was in the air, stop and watch it. These problems did go away in the second half, but other penalties did happen. I have to learn to get them confident from August 1 to November 30. Hopefully all year, but just speaking on football. Get a team to 3-12 or 4-15, just to give up a long pass for a touchdown or first down. 3/4 of the passes looked like punts, it was not Tom Brady. We gave up a first down on a 4th and 38.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #551 on: December 06, 2016, 10:57:33 AM »
I'm more worried about how the false start looked than that we got one.  If the kid takes one step and then easily stops himself, THEN I have a  major problem with it.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #552 on: December 06, 2016, 11:05:54 AM »
I'm more worried about how the false start looked than that we got one.  If the kid takes one step and then easily stops himself, THEN I have a  major problem with it.
Same with offsides. He better hit the kid in front of him.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #553 on: December 06, 2016, 11:06:51 AM »
I'm more worried about how the false start looked than that we got one.  If the kid takes one step and then easily stops himself, THEN I have a  major problem with it.

3 different types. 1 hitting D-lineman 2 slight body movement (usually a step) and 3 standing straight up. Combine that with a botched snap and it was 2nd and 18. Excluding the false starts, the line would have looked great if the backfield hit the holes at full speed. What some people think is the O lines fault was actually execution of the backfield.
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« Reply #554 on: December 06, 2016, 11:07:47 AM »
Nerves had them playing like crap.

--We overcame "nerves" by always letting players know what was going to happen at practice, in games and what my own expectations were.  Also, they knew the price to be paid for violating a tenet.  We practiced everything over and over, including the weigh-in procedure.  I knew that I wanted my players in numerical order, looking straight ahead and with no talking.  We practiced it during the week.  On game day, I'd see the other team grabassing and their header yelling at them to line up, stop talking, and feeding them what to say at weigh-in (name/number/etc.)  Our guys knew how to do all this because we'd explained the procedure and practiced the procedure.  I explained why it was important for it to be performed exactly as I wanted it.  And I practiced it every day.  On game day, our opponent's header would ask me "how do you get your kids to line up like that?"  Can you imagine?  This guy couldn't even get his team in a straight line without pulling his hair out.  How could he even coach football with all the intricacies when he can't even get his team to line up properly?

Pass coverage was , when the ball was in the air, stop and watch it.

--But what did you train them to do?

These problems did go away in the second half, but other penalties did happen.

--Penalties are always self-inflicted.  They reveal a lack of team discipline and concentration.  You must remove the self-inflicted butt-kicking.

I have to learn to get them confident from August 1 to November 30. Hopefully all year, but just speaking on football. Get a team to 3-12 or 4-15, just to give up a long pass for a touchdown or first down. 3/4 of the passes looked like punts, it was not Tom Brady. We gave up a first down on a 4th and 38.

--Our DBs always practiced as receivers so when the ball was thrown, they behaved as if the ball were being thrown to them.

--Dave

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The Mission Statement:
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