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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #90 on: December 28, 2015, 03:58:16 PM »
I hope your girlfriend isn't wondering why you're claiming an extra five seconds.His right hand is jealous of his left!
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #91 on: December 28, 2015, 04:04:26 PM »
I hope your girlfriend isn't wondering why you're claiming an extra five seconds.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #92 on: December 28, 2015, 04:07:42 PM »
Rob

It's funny how it works. At first there is great resistance, then you win a few games & the guards are praised & highlighted next everyone wants to be a guard.

When I was with Jeff we always had athletic and smart guards. Kids that wanted to be coached and that held themselves accountable. We ask them to do a lot scheme wise and more often than not, if they missed their assignment the play fell apart.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #93 on: December 28, 2015, 04:54:04 PM »
Question.

Is playing RB types at G a limited weight thing? I see this comment a lot.

In unlimited weight by rule my G's are typically too heavy to play RB until the 7th grade so I really cant do this.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #94 on: December 28, 2015, 04:55:46 PM »
I want at least 30 minutes every day with the oline, not just some days, every day. From now on, if I don't get that I'll walk.

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Curious....what are they doing instead that you cant get time with them?
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #95 on: December 28, 2015, 04:59:41 PM »
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Curious....what are they doing instead that you cant get time with them?
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #96 on: December 28, 2015, 05:29:49 PM »
I don't think it's a weight control issue, so much as a different view of talent. I see a player who can run & hit I think guard. When we were an I team, the best blocker was at FB, the second string FB became the RG, the third the LG. Michael & I were talking about seeing talent, & I told him the QB's that own every record at LMHS all played DE in Pop Warner. So it makes you wonder.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #97 on: December 28, 2015, 06:42:03 PM »
I don't think it's a weight control issue, so much as a different view of talent. I see a player who can run & hit I think guard. When we were an I team, the best blocker was at FB, the second string FB became the RG, the third the LG. Michael & I were talking about seeing talent, & I told him the QB's that own every record at LMHS all played DE in Pop Warner. So it makes you wonder.

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Currently my best blocker plays a lot of OT because he is over the weight limit to play FB.

He plays a lot of FB / RB in Scout O and holy cow can this kid run a football....but he is over the weight limit to play in the backfield.

But I think I answered my own question here. Thanks.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #98 on: December 28, 2015, 06:57:41 PM »
I don't think it's a weight control issue, so much as a different view of talent. I see a player who can run & hit I think guard. When we were an I team, the best blocker was at FB, the second string FB became the RG, the third the LG. Michael & I were talking about seeing talent, & I told him the QB's that own every record at LMHS all played DE in Pop Warner. So it makes you wonder.

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I wouldn't put a very talented kid at qb in youth unless we featured him and were actually capable of coaching him well at that position. I think besides the kicker, the qb is the most poorly coached position in youth ball because they just become hand off machines. Well, maybe the oline is worse off.

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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #99 on: December 28, 2015, 09:58:10 PM »
At 11 years old my backs range from 85-120 lbs. My lineman are from 145-250 lbs.( one kid 250 the rest 145 ) some teams we face average 180lbs across the front. The kids are getting to the age where size is overwhelming the quick aggressive smaller guys. Plus over 125 lbs the have to play on the line ( tackle to tackle ). Honestly I have a harder time with my backs blocking than my line.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #100 on: December 29, 2015, 12:54:15 AM »
At 11 years old my backs range from 85-120 lbs. My lineman are from 145-250 lbs.( one kid 250 the rest 145 ) some teams we face average 180lbs across the front. The kids are getting to the age where size is overwhelming the quick aggressive smaller guys. Plus over 125 lbs the have to play on the line ( tackle to tackle ). Honestly I have a harder time with my backs blocking than my line.

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I was wondering why coaches would play FB types at OG but then I realized who was having the conversation when Joe mentioned PW.

Makes it easier for me to place talent being non PW....big dudes block for little dudes.
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #101 on: December 29, 2015, 01:14:58 AM »
Funny how this all wrangles out.

I used to be a believer in Small Guards, Huge Tackles.  As I continued to develop my offensive philosophy I went reverse, Huge Guards and Small Tackles.  Now! I want guards who can move quickly and tackles who can anchor and yet get to the OSLB!  Size is immaterial!

Root, Hog, or die tryin! 

"Stink" Schlereth was one of the smallest O-Linemen in the NFL, yet he was perfect for Denver's  Stretch Scheme.  Quick, Agile, Great Hands and Feet! 

There's that damned word again....Philosophy!   

What do you want to do?

Ground and Pound?
Hit The Edges?
Pass to Run or Run to Pass? 

Are you a right handed or left handed team?
Do your RB's hit the hole or dance?

Questions are endless.......   ;)



     
 
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #102 on: December 29, 2015, 01:51:02 AM »
Funny how this all wrangles out.

I used to be a believer in Small Guards, Huge Tackles.  As I continued to develop my offensive philosophy I went reverse, Huge Guards and Small Tackles.  Now! I want guards who can move quickly and tackles who can anchor and yet get to the OSLB!  Size is immaterial!

Root, Hog, or die tryin! 

"Stink" Schlereth was one of the smallest O-Linemen in the NFL, yet he was perfect for Denver's  Stretch Scheme.  Quick, Agile, Great Hands and Feet! 

There's that damned word again....Philosophy!   

What do you want to do?

Ground and Pound?
Hit The Edges?
Pass to Run or Run to Pass? 

Are you a right handed or left handed team?
Do your RB's hit the hole or dance?

Questions are endless.......   ;)



   

Yah but Griffith would have SUCKED playing for Shelerth and Schelerth would have SUCKED playing for Griffith.

No brainer there.  :P
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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #103 on: December 29, 2015, 09:23:09 AM »
Mike - I think the concept they're getting at is that the players that most youth coaches would keep in the backfield as back up RB's are the kids they want at G.  The RB "types".  In your world that would be the bigger kids that you'd like to have play RB but can't due to weight.  With us in PW it's the back up FB types. Same difference really.



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Re: Developing Coaches
« Reply #104 on: December 29, 2015, 11:28:26 AM »
Mike - I think the concept they're getting at is that the players that most youth coaches would keep in the backfield as back up RB's are the kids they want at G.  The RB "types".  In your world that would be the bigger kids that you'd like to have play RB but can't due to weight.  With us in PW it's the back up FB types. Same difference really.

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Makes sense....it would be nice to have that kind of flexibility but it does make things easier for player placement. I know the positions they will play before they even pad up most of the time.
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