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Running Drills & Ruining Drills
« on: October 11, 2015, 11:29:17 AM »
After our team meeting this morning I spoke to a friend on the ride home. He is another coach on the board & we spoke about running drills & how to ruin them. More doesn't mean better. Each Drill should accomplish 1 specific thing, not 20. I don't understand why coaches think it is better to add something to a drill that destroys the original purpose of the drill.

It all comes back to it really isn't what I know as a coach rather what my players know on the field. Your scheme can be better on paper than my scheme; yet on the field I beat your butt. Simplicity is the key, & remember it is a building process. We took our Stud Hback who is a certain D1 prospect & moved him to LB last week. Not wanting to see the player ruined I volunteered during team D time to coach him up. It was my first exposure to what is going on over there. Some of the defensive coaches are very good. The problem is they are asking too much of the players making them think; hence paralysis by analysis.

I am not saying be over simplistic, heck our Offense is quite advanced. We built to it. Players need to learn how to play football first, then become advanced. It has to so the players can fly around with reckless abandon.

Here is a Prime example, a coach tinkers with blocking assignments every week changing the rules & the plays, yet the backs can't take a hand off properly, nor can the QB execute a play. Instead of running hand off drills or ball control drills the same coach runs an obstacle course drill with a hand off & a spin off a pop dummy. The wind up is a bad hand off, bad cuts, & a terrible spin. It is so much more important to focus on the fundamentals & what each drill is trying to accomplish.

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Re: Running Drills & Ruining Drills
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2015, 02:26:49 AM »
You couldn't be more accurate Coach less is more and more importantly is finding drills that are specific to the mission at hand especially Running Back drill's. Every scheme is different. There for certain drill's are meant for those specific schemes. Most of the time youth coaching is so poor novice coaches see something on you tube, hard knocks, or some NFL practice camp clip that's on the local news and automatically think oh we have to do that. Meanwhile you run the DW or UBSW it's like sticking a square peg in a round hole it won't work. Drill's are something that need to be carefully thought out and actually coached up  not only to the kid's but your asst's as well . Prior to your spring workout's or Aug 1st when most of us break for camp. Indy time is platinum and make all the difference in the development of your kid's when being taught correctly and executed with consistency at game type speed .
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Re: Running Drills & Ruining Drills
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2015, 08:12:41 AM »
Tito

I think certain drills are universal & certain drills are specific to the individual system. It is important to use a variety of each. A Gauntlet is universal, & Power Alley is more specific. Every day my backs warm up doing the Hand Off Snake, Power Run, & High & Tight. Those 3 drills are certainly Universal.

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Re: Running Drills & Ruining Drills
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2015, 12:58:31 PM »
Joe,

I strongly feel that your statements reflect your extensive experience. When our varsity staff met with our youth coaches at the beginning of their season in a mini-clinic, I suggested that they (the youth coaches) decide on 3 to 4 every day drills for their specific position groups with the drills being conducted EVERY DAY. Then, if they found themselves with some additional time they could/should have one or two simple drills to teach or reinforce additional skills.

I also suggested that on those practice days where they had no additional time, they should complete their EDDs before moving on as a group to another activity. For our varsity, the EDDs we do to start every defensive day with the DBs, we do as part of our pre-game warmup.
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Re: Running Drills & Ruining Drills
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2015, 01:18:14 PM »
As Dan Gable has said, if it's important, do it every day. If it's not important, don't do it ever.
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Re: Running Drills & Ruining Drills
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2015, 07:56:02 AM »
Joe,

I strongly feel that your statements reflect your extensive experience. When our varsity staff met with our youth coaches at the beginning of their season in a mini-clinic, I suggested that they (the youth coaches) decide on 3 to 4 every day drills for their specific position groups with the drills being conducted EVERY DAY. Then, if they found themselves with some additional time they could/should have one or two simple drills to teach or reinforce additional skills.

I also suggested that on those practice days where they had no additional time, they should complete their EDDs before moving on as a group to another activity. For our varsity, the EDDs we do to start every defensive day with the DBs, we do as part of our pre-game warmup.There is several good reasons for this. Pregame having players do what they are most comfortable with makes things routine & can take away any pregame jitters.

We try & have our QB's & RB's do their EDD's in pre-practice warm ups. In approximately 10 minutes we have each go through 3 different drills. The secret is in getting them to take pride in doing the same drills everyday to perfection. I love watching the Varsity backs jump all over a JV back for 1/2 assing a drill. We love to install that pride.

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Re: Running Drills & Ruining Drills
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2015, 08:10:32 AM »

Every day my backs warm up doing the Hand Off Snake, Power Run, & High & Tight.


What are those drills?

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Re: Running Drills & Ruining Drills
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2015, 08:17:50 AM »
After our team meeting this morning I spoke to a friend on the ride home. He is another coach on the board & we spoke about running drills & how to ruin them. More doesn't mean better. Each Drill should accomplish 1 specific thing, not 20. I don't understand why coaches think it is better to add something to a drill that destroys the original purpose of the drill.

It all comes back to it really isn't what I know as a coach rather what my players know on the field. Your scheme can be better on paper than my scheme; yet on the field I beat your butt. Simplicity is the key, & remember it is a building process. We took our Stud Hback who is a certain D1 prospect & moved him to LB last week. Not wanting to see the player ruined I volunteered during team D time to coach him up. It was my first exposure to what is going on over there. Some of the defensive coaches are very good. The problem is they are asking too much of the players making them think; hence paralysis by analysis.

I am not saying be over simplistic, heck our Offense is quite advanced. We built to it. Players need to learn how to play football first, then become advanced. It has to so the players can fly around with reckless abandon.

Here is a Prime example, a coach tinkers with blocking assignments every week changing the rules & the plays, yet the backs can't take a hand off properly, nor can the QB execute a play. Instead of running hand off drills or ball control drills the same coach runs an obstacle course drill with a hand off & a spin off a pop dummy. The wind up is a bad hand off, bad cuts, & a terrible spin. It is so much more important to focus on the fundamentals & what each drill is trying to accomplish.

Joe

Do you think there is a point where the same drills shouldn't be run? I'm basically a backup coach this year. I don't run much, and I just watch the other coaches run things, and I will critique technique. The O-Line coach runs the same drills on offense and defense every day.

Offense:
We do a down block, either on a pad or everyone does it with a buddy at the same time.
We do a reach block, either on a pad or everyone does it with a buddy at the same time.
We do the sweep drill with pads.
We do the trap drill with pads.
Occasionally we will do king of the hill.
Occasionally we drive the sled.
Occasionally we do a pass blocking drill.

I think the drills are all good, but we've done them since the beginning of the season. There is not a lot of live blocking. The only live blocking drill is actually king of the hill. Being a fan of Dave Potter, I feel like we should do a lot more live stuff. I haven't said anything, but that's my personal feeling. Am I right or am is this a good line up of drills?
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Re: Running Drills & Ruining Drills
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2015, 09:17:31 AM »
What are those drills?

Hand Off Snake

2 lines on the Goal line(any stripe will do) hash mark apart (about 15 yds or so Hash mark is 17 1/3) Start each player to the right of the line Back runs at 3/4 speed when he reaches the middle the other back starts They hand off to each other.

CP's smooth hand off proper arm up thumb down & come over the ball. First few times doing this drill we usually do it at 1/2 speed until everyone is comfortable. After everyone with line on the right then line on the left, finally 5 yds apart with a small toss.

Power Run

Partner up
BC ball in right hand high & tight partner arms around the BC's waist. BC drives 10 yards high knees ball high & tight arms pumping. They switch then switch arm holding ball.

CP's Arm with ball is a small swing & ball stays high & tight BC must have positive body lean & drive with high knees

High & Tight

Partner up
BC has the ball High & Tight partner jogs next to the BC punching grabbing & slapping at the ball. Do both hands.

We do these drills everyday it takes us 9-10 minutes the key is to do them at a high pace.

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Re: Running Drills & Ruining Drills
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2015, 09:22:26 AM »
Do you think there is a point where the same drills shouldn't be run? I'm basically a backup coach this year. I don't run much, and I just watch the other coaches run things, and I will critique technique. The O-Line coach runs the same drills on offense and defense every day.


I think the drills are all good, but we've done them since the beginning of the season. There is not a lot of live blocking. The only live blocking drill is actually king of the hill. Being a fan of Dave Potter, I feel like we should do a lot more live stuff. I haven't said anything, but that's my personal feeling. Am I right or am is this a good line up of drills?

Kyle

The line up is ok, often what happens is doing EDD's can become boring. The real key is to find a way to keep it energized. I will always add some competitive element to the drill to keep it interesting. The other thing is I believe there is always a time & place for live blocking.

Joe
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Re: Running Drills & Ruining Drills
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2015, 10:36:07 AM »
Being a fan of Dave Potter, I feel like we should do a lot more live stuff. I haven't said anything, but that's my personal feeling.

Kyle, it never hurts to make a suggestion.  Or ask a question as to "why?"

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Re: Running Drills & Ruining Drills
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2015, 02:40:51 PM »
Kyle, it never hurts to make a suggestion.  Or ask a question as to "why?"

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Unfortunately the answer I got was, "Well this is the way it's drawn up".

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Re: Running Drills & Ruining Drills
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Re: Running Drills & Ruining Drills
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2015, 07:46:32 AM »
Thank you, sir!

J

I have been using this drill since the late 70's, it is still the best way to insure a great hand off. One CP has changed over the years is the back looking for the ball. When we ran the I or the Wing T we really stressed the Back never looking for the ball. Nowadays often the back is responsible for the mesh so we don't stress it any more.

We still always coach where the backs eyes go, it's just different today.

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Re: Running Drills & Ruining Drills
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2015, 11:27:43 PM »
Joe,

How far should the running backs arms be away from his torso prior to the hand off?

Is the thumb down on the high arm next to the QB?

What do you mean by coming over the ball?

On a spread Jet type near full speed action do you have the Jet back look at the ball?

Thanks  for your help.