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Re: 'IOL' BLOCKING IN 'I' PISTOL OR DW
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2011, 07:21:00 PM »
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Re: 'IOL' BLOCKING IN 'I' PISTOL OR DW
« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2011, 08:53:44 AM »
I always liken these discussions to a couple of hillbilly dudes in the woods fighting over how to skin furs...

each is convinced that his way is the best way to skin the animal.  No matter how its done, you end up with the same result, what matters is that you GET THERE. If you arent getting there, then your way isnt working and youll need another way.

To sit and dispute "yeah, but I got there better" with nothing more than an anacronym or two to explain it....kinda silly....


We do what we do, we do it very well, as well as ANYBODY in the country Id argue and to try and beat someone over the head with our methods while they work  hard to be sure to "invent" a way to skin the animal.... you get the idea.


I only try to get involved when someone tries to compare apples to oranges, ie, blocking rules that are used to accomplish different things really shouldnt be directly compared....thats like trying to compare the gas mileage difference of a kia sportage and a hummer....they arent exactly trying to accomplish the same.
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Re: 'IOL' BLOCKING IN 'I' PISTOL OR DW
« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2011, 12:12:28 PM »
For me, the issue is teachability, related to the age of my athletes, and related to the time available for practice.  I also do not have the luxury of assigning one kid to a position, either on defense or on offense, and having him learn that one position.  I have 9-10 year old kids, as few as 17 on the team.  The system I coach needs to be simple, straight forward, and easily grasped by kids playing multiple positions during any given game.

This is one of the reasons I have used TKO.  It is simple.  I am beginning to wonder if rules based blocking may be more appropriate.  The kids, by nature, want to identify a opposing player and hit him.  Rules allow for that, and may make the mental connect better.

I appreciate the diagrams offered here for this reason.  The visual is valuable and will help me teach my young boys.  I think the concept can easily be grasped by my boys.

As my kids mature (I will follow them up each level each year), I hope to be able to hand them more complex blocking assignments.  But some of the total packages I have seen, though very good, are too much to swallow for my kids, at least for now . . .
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Re: 'IOL' BLOCKING IN 'I' PISTOL OR DW
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2011, 12:40:04 PM »
For me, the issue is teachability, related to the age of my athletes, and related to the time available for practice.  I also do not have the luxury of assigning one kid to a position, either on defense or on offense, and having him learn that one position.  I have 9-10 year old kids, as few as 17 on the team.  The system I coach needs to be simple, straight forward, and easily grasped by kids playing multiple positions during any given game.

This is one of the reasons I have used TKO.  It is simple.  I am beginning to wonder if rules based blocking may be more appropriate.  The kids, by nature, want to identify a opposing player and hit him.  Rules allow for that, and may make the mental connect better.

I appreciate the diagrams offered here for this reason.  The visual is valuable and will help me teach my young boys.  I think the concept can easily be grasped by my boys.

As my kids mature (I will follow them up each level each year), I hope to be able to hand them more complex blocking assignments.  But some of the total packages I have seen, though very good, are too much to swallow for my kids, at least for now . . .


And this is very good, every coach needs to understand that every situation is unique.
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Re: 'IOL' BLOCKING IN 'I' PISTOL OR DW
« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2011, 07:16:35 PM »
With reading these post it seams that some of the coaches feel that there are only a few coaches that can publish and speak their system and their,s is the rule,and rules should not be broken,wether they work or not ,it should be pointed at the whole board.Blocking,tackeling,running ,offense,defense,ect,ect, we have to embrace what all these BIG name coaches do and post for us ,we coaches are just trying to make a difference in oneway or another.Let us decide what will work,wether fail,or prosper we must be the ones to make that desicion.Thanks for all the great input and thats all we ask for.
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Re: 'IOL' BLOCKING IN 'I' PISTOL OR DW
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2011, 08:16:51 PM »
With reading these post it seams that some of the coaches feel that there are only a few coaches that can publish and speak their system and their,s is the rule,and rules should not be broken,wether they work or not ,it should be pointed at the whole board.Blocking,tackeling,running ,offense,defense,ect,ect, we have to embrace what all these BIG name coaches do and post for us ,we coaches are just trying to make a difference in oneway or another.Let us decide what will work,wether fail,or prosper we must be the ones to make that desicion.Thanks for all the great input and thats all we ask for.

Since I'm a media base guy I tried not to say some of the things you mentioned. It do bother me because it seem like at times some are against Cox. I don't understand with Cox, Gregory, JJ, Calande, and others could be one of the best DW line ups there is. They all offer something in some way, but it bothers me how all DW coaches can't be like the Wing T or SW guys. Most if not all of those coaches refer to one another, support one another, and also invite one another to clinics the whole nine. It took me all but 5 mins to gather a group to do the Wing T round table. (Well over 1500 downloads) It took me damn near a yr. to get the DW round table done. (500 with DW roundtable 1/2 together) I learn from every coach and have been blessed to be able to call/direct contact with all of these coaches. The thing that bothers the hell out of me is why it seem like shots are being taken here and there at the next guy? I give less than two damns about who made what because in the end everyone steal period. The reason why I love this place called Dumcoach is because you have a great collection of coaching minds that lend a hand to coaches that need it. I have respect for all of you...but it's a shame that this type of stuff happens way too often. Some coaches choose to be a lone wolf and I respect that and they told me why. There is more to gain working with each other then everyone in their own corner.

I know I will get blasted for this post...but it's just a shame why shots have to be taken. The time it take to make a negative comment I could had used that time reading another post or not saying anything at all unless I was addressed. We don't all have to agree, but we all should work towards a better good...Each one Teach one!!! If I offended anyone my bad...that wasn't the intent. The intent is to be able to see Cox, Gregory, JJ, Calande, and others I didn't name to be at one spot at one time breaking down a system we all love. Maybe that's just my wishful think.  >:(
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Re: 'IOL' BLOCKING IN 'I' PISTOL OR DW
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2011, 09:36:57 PM »
What he said.

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Re: 'IOL' BLOCKING IN 'I' PISTOL OR DW
« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2011, 09:37:23 PM »
Since I'm a media base guy I tried not to say some of the things you mentioned. It do bother me because it seem like at times some are against Cox. I don't understand with Cox, Gregory, JJ, Calande, and others could be one of the best DW line ups there is. They all offer something in some way, but it bothers me how all DW coaches can't be like the Wing T or SW guys. Most if not all of those coaches refer to one another, support one another, and also invite one another to clinics the whole nine. It took me all but 5 mins to gather a group to do the Wing T round table. (Well over 1500 downloads) It took me damn near a yr. to get the DW round table done. (500 with DW roundtable 1/2 together) I learn from every coach and have been blessed to be able to call/direct contact with all of these coaches. The thing that bothers the hell out of me is why it seem like shots are being taken here and there at the next guy? I give less than two damns about who made what because in the end everyone steal period. The reason why I love this place called Dumcoach is because you have a great collection of coaching minds that lend a hand to coaches that need it. I have respect for all of you...but it's a shame that this type of stuff happens way too often. Some coaches choose to be a lone wolf and I respect that and they told me why. There is more to gain working with each other then everyone in their own corner.

I know I will get blasted for this post...but it's just a shame why shots have to be taken. The time it take to make a negative comment I could had used that time reading another post or not saying anything at all unless I was addressed. We don't all have to agree, but we all should work towards a better good...Each one Teach one!!! If I offended anyone my bad...that wasn't the intent. The intent is to be able to see Cox, Gregory, JJ, Calande, and others I didn't name to be at one spot at one time breaking down a system we all love. Maybe that's just my wishful think.  >:(

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Good post.

The DW is Tribal. What Tribe you follow is what camp you live in as a coach I suppose. The Wing T or the SW are as old as dirt and probably went tribal right away but all those coaches are dead now and don’t care.  ;)

Same thing with Zone blocking schemes since there are now a few distinct Tribes…the old Trees vs Concepts argument comes to mind….Man vs Zone...etc.

Many hate on the I formation only because so many really poor youth coaches ran it for years…badly. The same thing is happening now with spread formations. Many are hating on it now a day only because it’s the spreads turn to get abused by really bad youth coaches.

Some…on any forum….just cant sit back and see how others do things. They are always right in how they teach the game. Too bad really…experimenting is how the DW came about…and everything else football realted. It is all a constant progression and I feel this forum promotes that line of thinking for the most part.   We dont get paid so we can get away with being pioneers at times.

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Re: 'IOL' BLOCKING IN 'I' PISTOL OR DW
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2011, 09:47:58 PM »
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/m/maxplanck101765.html

If they'd had football back then, all of these dudes arguing over eggs would have been in various DW camps: http://explorersfoundation.org/glyphery/316.html
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Re: 'IOL' BLOCKING IN 'I' PISTOL OR DW
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2011, 10:25:48 PM »
You have to be the alpha male [kahunnas], BB remember this, as i walk through the valley of death i fear no eveil ,lol
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Re: 'IOL' BLOCKING IN 'I' PISTOL OR DW
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2011, 07:42:03 AM »
With reading these post it seams that some of the coaches feel that there are only a few coaches that can publish and speak their system and their,s is the rule,and rules should not be broken,wether they work or not ,it should be pointed at the whole board.Blocking,tackeling,running ,offense,defense,ect,ect, we have to embrace what all these BIG name coaches do and post for us ,we coaches are just trying to make a difference in oneway or another.Let us decide what will work,wether fail,or prosper we must be the ones to make that desicion.Thanks for all the great input and thats all we ask for.

I certainly hope youre not suggesting that I am taking shots at anyone elses system, I certainly am not.  I think every coach has to choose methods and terminology that he can understand, grasp and communicate to his players.
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Re: 'IOL' BLOCKING IN 'I' PISTOL OR DW
« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2011, 12:27:07 PM »
I certainly hope youre not suggesting that I am taking shots at anyone elses system, I certainly am not.  I think every coach has to choose methods and terminology that he can understand, grasp and communicate to his players.
Never mentioned your name,only feel that if some one runs toss,I, bone ,spread ,wing-t ect,ect,using whatever scheme they want and it works so be it,It might not be the inventors method of runnig his system ,but another coach becomes an inventor when he changes the scheme of the system and it works well.So when i was using tko and went 9-0,,and i called it the DW i had been told ,and have seen it posted to others it,s not the DW do to the blocking scheme,i say whatever, it worked .
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Re: 'IOL' BLOCKING IN 'I' PISTOL OR DW
« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2011, 12:57:55 PM »
Thats right, WHATEVER WORKS...thats what matters.

There are certain things that I personally HATE seeing referred to as "the double wing"...because ITS NOT...but that doesnt mean it DOESNT WORK.

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Re: 'IOL' BLOCKING IN 'I' PISTOL OR DW
« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2011, 02:17:31 PM »
Thats right, WHATEVER WORKS...thats what matters.

There are certain things that I personally HATE seeing referred to as "the double wing"...because ITS NOT...but that doesnt mean it DOESNT WORK.

 ;)
Agree,and lets leave it at that,and push on.
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Re: 'IOL' BLOCKING IN 'I' PISTOL OR DW
« Reply #44 on: December 11, 2011, 02:22:49 PM »
A lot of innovation comes from people trying to copy something they don't fully understand, accidentally ending up with something else, and then finding out it works.
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