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Re: OL and the DW
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2012, 08:00:37 PM »
Let's face it DWer's, you will win or lose with the OL. JMO, but I think the two most important things for the OL in the DW are the 'L.E.G' Progression and the 'Big Five' Drill. MY OL did it everyday during our Pre-Practice [everyone should have a pre-practice built into their practice plan]. Great if short on coaches as well. Comments or suggestions?
Thank you Coach Cox.


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Re: OL and the DW
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2012, 08:21:22 PM »
Let's face it DWer's, you will win or lose with the OL. JMO, but I think the two most important things for the OL in the DW are the 'L.E.G' Progression and the 'Big Five' Drill. MY OL did it everyday during our Pre-Practice [everyone should have a pre-practice built into their practice plan]. Great if short on coaches as well. Comments or suggestions?
Yes I do,know and understand the offense ,and then you,ll understand why drills that are specificly for the DW are so important,It,s a monster of it,s own and the drills designed for it are KEY [proven].Also there is no dumb question ,if it means something to you.jmo
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Re: OL and the DW
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2012, 10:22:38 PM »
Coach Cox,

Thanks for sharing the drill.  It’s already saved into my library.  I like how you detail the foot work.  Thanks again!

I was thinking I must be doing something wrong because the problem with this drill for my team is we never ask our o-line to do two of the five blocks.  We are going into our 4th season this fall and we have never asked our o-line to reach or to drive block.  Just thought that was odd.  Our backs “reach” block on Toss Wide and we had JG’s “PIN” scheme which is a perimeter scheme using the reach block in our playbook but just never needed it so we never installed it.  I anticipate needing it this year.  So we are going to put it in with the core this year.

We also flip our line.  Maybe I am wrong in my approach so far but typically once we determine who is playing on what side of the line we never ask our wall guys to pull and kick or pull and seal.  I just can’t see the benefit to doing that?  I get 1:30 three nights a week and I want to maximize every minute.  They are either in Indy’s separated by WALL and QUICK or working with the backs in HALF LINE drills.   I was curious if you do this every day with the O-line during practice what do you typically have your backs doing during this time?

Thanks! 

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Re: OL and the DW
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2012, 11:15:00 PM »
1st let me say that you can develop a Big Five Drill within your own schemes. It might be the big three. But, unless your whole organization is doing the same scheme as you, then you are doing your kids a disservices by not teaching the drive block. They won't be doing only TKO or SAB as they progress into HS. Most systems are based on a drive block variation. Before I could insitute a pre-practice, I think age group is important as well. With older Kids, my kids would be throwing the football during pre-practice. With Bobble Heads, it could be a variety of things. I want my kids multi-dimensional, so flipping the OL was never a consideration with me. I don't see too many HS's that flip their Lines anymore [but I'm sure there are]. Some Youth coaches do flip their lines and that is good. I just don't see the benefit because I run a mirrored Offense. And when kids go down you need specific kids to replace those kids [JMO]. Not that I want to get into a discussion on Line Flipping, it's JMO. Some guys are effective with it.

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Re: OL and the DW
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2012, 12:45:26 AM »
Which is important because many coaches don't have access to chutes and sleds.

This was actually part of my presentation as well ... So I will copy and paste that page here for you ...

SLEDS & CHUTES – Every Day

I realize very few youth teams have access to Sleds or Chutes.

THIS IS NOT A WORTHY EXCUSE !!!

If you don’t have a sled, get two dummies.
If you don’t have dummies, get two shields.
If you don’t have shields, get two couch cushions.

If you don’t have a chute, get some PVC pipe and make one.
If you don’t have PVC, get 2 broom sticks and name them …
… Coach GetLow … and Coach StayLow …

Do whatever you have to do but working full speed on your ‘GET OFF’ and LEG steps MUST BE DONE EVERY DAY !!!  And nothing provides immediate feedback to a lineman like a Sled or a Chute.

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Re: OL and the DW
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2012, 12:54:22 AM »
Any good video of a coach teaching leg progression?

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Re: OL and the DW
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2012, 01:48:17 AM »
This was actually part of my presentation as well ... So I will copy and paste that page here for you ...

SLEDS & CHUTES – Every Day

I realize very few youth teams have access to Sleds or Chutes.

THIS IS NOT A WORTHY EXCUSE !!!

If you don’t have a sled, get two dummies.
If you don’t have dummies, get two shields.
If you don’t have shields, get two couch cushions.

If you don’t have a chute, get some PVC pipe and make one.
If you don’t have PVC, get 2 broom sticks and name them …
… Coach GetLow … and Coach StayLow …

Do whatever you have to do but working full speed on your ‘GET OFF’ and LEG steps MUST BE DONE EVERY DAY !!!  And nothing provides immediate feedback to a lineman like a Sled or a Chute.


I heard that all the way back in California!
Have to say my kids beat the hell out of many sleds. Every Monday was team-sled HELL after Pre-Practice, and our Totally Dynamic warm-ups.
But I have to say that I never used a chute once in my career or a board drill. Have to admit however, that my kids never moved a sled during the game. We did it more for mental and physical toughness. I definitely feel that chutes can be helpful however. I don't think Markham used a sled or chute his entire career. Actually, I don't recall him ever doing a drill. I will say that many times many coaches overcoach the kids. That is debatable as well. Bottom line: Chutes and Sleds can be helpful!

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Re: OL and the DW
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2012, 01:50:18 AM »
Any good video of a coach teaching leg progression?

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Re: OL and the DW
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2012, 01:54:20 AM »
I don't go anywhere near chutes or sleds.

We work on keeping the hips low on everything we do, but especially during our step drills.  We get 10 or 15 kids in a line, and we, and they, can see who's low and who isn't.  And nobody ducks their heads.  Our bar drill is also good for that, as long as you hold the bar low enough.  And our tire flipping drill is mostly for rolling the hips, but it definitely keeps them low.

And we always hit live.  You can faint at the snap against a sled, and when you come to, it will still be there waiting for you.  Games don't work that way.

But I could be wrong about all that. :)  Obviously, other people do very, very well with sleds and chutes.
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Re: OL and the DW
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2012, 02:08:16 AM »
Bottom line: Kids find out real quick in a game how low, low has to be to get the job done.

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Re: OL and the DW
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2012, 04:39:42 AM »
I don't go anywhere near chutes or sleds.

We work on keeping the hips low on everything we do, but especially during our step drills.  We get 10 or 15 kids in a line, and we, and they, can see who's low and who isn't.  And nobody ducks their heads.  Our bar drill is also good for that, as long as you hold the bar low enough.  And our tire flipping drill is mostly for rolling the hips, but it definitely keeps them low.

And we always hit live.  You can faint at the snap against a sled, and when you come to, it will still be there waiting for you.  Games don't work that way.

But I could be wrong about all that. :)  Obviously, other people do very, very well with sleds and chutes.

No doubt everyone has different ways to get it done ... Although I notice you mention your bar drill in a post where you say you don't use a chute ... LoL

We use a sled to work on elevation but like I said, when we don't have a sled we use shields ... And I don't know about fainting in front of one ... But we can tell immediately who is slow out of their stance whereas live hitting is tougher because both blocker and blockee are moving into each other ... But if the blockee just holds a pad or shield then you are approximating a sled like the bar approximates a chute ...
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Re: OL and the DW
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2012, 07:45:49 AM »
That's not what our bar drill is.
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Re: OL and the DW
« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2012, 09:19:15 AM »
Bottom line: Kids find out real quick in a game how low, low has to be to get the job done.

This ^

And if they are lucky...they'll find out in practice...
None of them suck, they just haven't found what the kid is good at yet.

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Re: OL and the DW
« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2012, 09:23:42 AM »
Be Careful of what you wish for! It could happen.
Is that a hint that another great video is coming ;)?

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Re: OL and the DW
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2012, 11:01:35 AM »
Coach, you know there will be few replies. If you are going to run the DW, then run it right! Let's see how many download. That's what I need is a presentation to move with my mouse. I'm sure someone out there can do it. BTW- how's the little one?

Coach,
If you have a PowerPoint version of this I can make it animated for you.

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