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Offline td3201

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double wing pass blocking
« on: August 08, 2017, 09:30:10 AM »
Hello,

I'm a relatively new coach so this site seems perfect for me. :)

I have a couple of pocket pass plays out of tight formation. Need to install a pass blocking scheme. We use SAB and Wedge on the run side. I've heard of wall blocking but struggling to find some coaching points on this. Can someone point me in a direction for this?

Thanks,
TD

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Re: double wing pass blocking
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2017, 12:16:55 PM »
Hello,

I'm a relatively new coach so this site seems perfect for me. :)

I have a couple of pocket pass plays out of tight formation. Need to install a pass blocking scheme. We use SAB and Wedge on the run side. I've heard of wall blocking but struggling to find some coaching points on this. Can someone point me in a direction for this?

Thanks,
TD

Wall is wedge with only the fit.  Very simple at snap from TE to TE they collapse inside and fit and hold ground.  Think first three steps for the center.

The backfield is responsible for sealing off edged and fit underneath the last wall blocker.  Their depth is determine by drop of passer.

You can release one or both ends just fit backs under OT's. 

I have used it for a 5 man line as well.

Jack
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Re: double wing pass blocking
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2017, 12:35:43 PM »
Hello,

I'm a relatively new coach so this site seems perfect for me. :)

I have a couple of pocket pass plays out of tight formation. Need to install a pass blocking scheme. We use SAB and Wedge on the run side. I've heard of wall blocking but struggling to find some coaching points on this. Can someone point me in a direction for this?

Thanks,
TD

Coach Calandes double wing pass protection made easy.

Six man base includes the center, guards, tackles and the fullback.

The center uses his MOMA rule and listens for the direction of the fullback.

Thunder= fullback to the right
Lightning = fullback to the left

The offensive linemen must understand that six man protection places 3 men to either side of the midline where the qbs launch point is.

On Thunder, the right guard has #1 , the right tackle has 2, the fullback has 3
The left side will the hinge block with the center taking 1, guard 2 and tackle 3 on the backside.

* a nose guard is on the midline and will have four hands on him ...call side guard and center, their four eyes are up as they are each ready to use their outside hand to pick up backer blitzes effectively turning six man protection into seven or even 8 possible rushers being blocked by six!


Add more blockers several ways....ie keep the backside tightend home to pick up 4...or create a playside double team on number 2 with the call side te staying home....or motion a wing to become an extra edge blocker ( great vs corner blitz or tough de)....motion with PLUG call to add body inside of the number 3 rusher ( useful vs 62 stack for instance)

I could go on.....but using Thunder with wing motion to make six man into seven has been FANTASTIC for me. We havent always bothered to install Lightning....but its easy enough.

Hopefully this will get your own creative juices flowing.- Calande
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Re: double wing pass blocking
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2017, 09:11:08 PM »
Sorry gang, didnt realize this was under the Gregory forum
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Re: double wing pass blocking
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2017, 09:02:26 AM »
Sorry gang, didnt realize this was under the Gregory forum

 Not a problem Steve.

Jack
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Re: double wing pass blocking
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2017, 09:14:11 AM »
Does anyone incorporate the half-roll into the DW like the old run and shoot teams used to do? 

The half roll was pretty simple: QB takes the snap and takes a big step out from under center to get some depth, then rolls for 4-5 more steps and sets up behind the T.  Because he's setting up behind the T, the QB's still a pretty good position to throw backside if a MOF safety is flying over to the ball, but since he could roll to either side it was hard for the defense to really lock in and overload a side.

I also really liked the protection--by changing the launching point for the QB, you also needed to adjust the protection scheme for the QB to reflect that.  So the C on out would slide playside and block their playside gap with the FB also going playside to help the T with the DE--if there was no threat in the playside gap, they would also hinge.  The backside of the line would hinge through their playside gap, picking up rushers aligned inside them before pivoting to wall off ones chasing from the backside.

It also set up a killer sprint draw and shovel pass for obvious passing situations when the defense was coming hard.

To me, this looks like a good fit at first glance for the DW or any offense with 4 vertical threats, really, but I haven't ran it.  I do wonder if the foot to foot splits might bring the backside in a little too close, but a lot of the run and shoot teams used 1' splits or less and it worked fine for them 25 years ago.

Thoughts?

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Re: double wing pass blocking
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2017, 10:21:29 AM »
Does anyone incorporate the half-roll into the DW like the old run and shoot teams used to do? 

The half roll was pretty simple: QB takes the snap and takes a big step out from under center to get some depth, then rolls for 4-5 more steps and sets up behind the T.  Because he's setting up behind the T, the QB's still a pretty good position to throw backside if a MOF safety is flying over to the ball, but since he could roll to either side it was hard for the defense to really lock in and overload a side.

I also really liked the protection--by changing the launching point for the QB, you also needed to adjust the protection scheme for the QB to reflect that.  So the C on out would slide playside and block their playside gap with the FB also going playside to help the T with the DE--if there was no threat in the playside gap, they would also hinge.  The backside of the line would hinge through their playside gap, picking up rushers aligned inside them before pivoting to wall off ones chasing from the backside.

It also set up a killer sprint draw and shovel pass for obvious passing situations when the defense was coming hard.

To me, this looks like a good fit at first glance for the DW or any offense with 4 vertical threats, really, but I haven't ran it.  I do wonder if the foot to foot splits might bring the backside in a little too close, but a lot of the run and shoot teams used 1' splits or less and it worked fine for them 25 years ago.

Thoughts?

My base power pass protection is based on the half roll.  I also use it to change my drop point of the passer.  I have found it to be a very versatile protection.

We slide from BSG to PSTE and the BSWB blocks playside.  BST and BSTE hinge.
One or both TE's can be involved in a pass pattern.  FB if he stays in can pick up backside (often case if BSTE leave), pick up front side if BSWB is in pattern, or he double a tough DL if needed.

Jack
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Re: double wing pass blocking
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2017, 10:47:51 AM »
Last year with 9s when we were still running DW, the only pass play we ran was power pass, QB opened to motion and continued around and got depth, set his feet behind the play side tackle...

The protection, back side G to play side T used a slide protection, sliding to the play side (Slide, Slide, Mirror), back side T and TE would Hinge step (Hinge, Hinge, Mirror), the release by the TE and the FB goes through the play side DE's shoulder to slow him down until the back side wing back (who is in motion pre-snap) could get across to keep him off the QB).

The Wedge Pass Protection worked well with the younger ages, but in my experience, at about 9 something more was needed. We did not give up a sack last season using the slide on play side and the hinge on the back side.
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Re: double wing pass blocking
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2017, 11:03:19 AM »
Last year with 9s when we were still running DW, the only pass play we ran was power pass, QB opened to motion and continued around and got depth, set his feet behind the play side tackle...

The protection, back side G to play side T used a slide protection, sliding to the play side (Slide, Slide, Mirror), back side T and TE would Hinge step (Hinge, Hinge, Mirror), the release by the TE and the FB goes through the play side DE's shoulder to slow him down until the back side wing back (who is in motion pre-snap) could get across to keep him off the QB).

The Wedge Pass Protection worked well with the younger ages, but in my experience, at about 9 something more was needed. We did not give up a sack last season using the slide on play side and the hinge on the back side.

Wall is definitely not for above 10.  At that point you need to be teaching some sort of Real cup protection.
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