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Split Gun or DW Help!
« on: April 24, 2018, 10:15:05 AM »
We ran the split gun last year pretty well (Running and Passing), but we didn't have success running up the middle, so teams spread their linebackers on us, which slowed us down. Furthermore, I believe the DW will give me that opportunity, but I only have two linemen returning... Help!

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Re: Split Gun or DW Help!
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2018, 11:30:39 AM »
We ran the split gun last year pretty well (Running and Passing), but we didn't have success running up the middle, so teams spread their linebackers on us, which slowed us down. Furthermore, I believe the DW will give me that opportunity, but I only have two linemen returning... Help!

Why were you not able to run up the middle?

What do you mean by "Split Gun" anyway?  Are we talking 2 backs?

From the shotgun, you can run Trap, Iso, Wedge, Belly, Base dive, and Inside Zone to hit between the tackles.  You can also run Power and Counter pretty well to hit off tackle if you coach it correctly.

If you're in a 1 back gun, you can still run all of these if you have the RB lead for the QB.

This sounds more like an issue with how you taught your blocking and running than the offensive system or formation.  Switching to Double Wing won't necessarily help there.  Besides Wedge, the DW gets pretty compressed inside and can be hard to run in B gap since it bunches the defense up in the middle.

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Re: Split Gun or DW Help!
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2018, 11:51:54 AM »
I have coached both spread and DTDW and can pound the middle from both...more information needed...

Like the others have said, could be your coaching or your blocking schemes (which is also coaching).

BTW, when moving from DW to spread, had the same offensive lineman...they were able to block in both, we just had to teach them different technique to work in space.
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Re: Split Gun or DW Help!
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2018, 12:14:43 PM »
but I only have two linemen returning... Help!

At 10U, just about anyone can be a lineman. Size is far less important at that age. I don't put a ton of stock in "experience" either. Not a week goes by where I see a LB, Safety, RB, QB, CB etc. etc. etc. line up as an o-lineman in scout or in a drill and surprise the hell out of everyone.  DW is a very friendly offense to smaller, athletic linemen.

However, I agree with the other guys that more information is needed as to why you couldn't run inside. We love it when teams move LBs away from the ball. Then again, all of our uncovered linemen climb to linebackers/safeties in all of our run blocking schemes.
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Re: Split Gun or DW Help!
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2018, 09:28:06 AM »
Thanks for the posts guys. However, our offense consisted of running the split backs offense, but in the shot gun.

X.............T..G..C..G..T............Y
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Teams faced with the 5-3 just about all season. Moreover, we beat team to the edge, when they would spread there LBs and we struggled....Although, we through the ball very well.. We ran the counter and that killed them. We pull our H-Back for our counters.

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Re: Split Gun or DW Help!
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2018, 10:21:54 AM »
Although this is more information, I'm not exactly sure why you could not run between the Tackle with this formation?  Power is there all day especially IF, as you say, they widened their linebackers to stop the outside run?  Need more.

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Re: Split Gun or DW Help!
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2018, 10:25:55 AM »
Dusty,

I believe I need a new blocking scheme. The o-line coach we had last year is moving up to 12u and he basically did drive blocking. However, I want my o-line to block more as a unit in the spread.

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Re: Split Gun or DW Help!
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2018, 11:35:01 AM »
Dusty,

I believe I need a new blocking scheme. The o-line coach we had last year is moving up to 12u and he basically did drive blocking. However, I want my o-line to block more as a unit in the spread.

What plays were you actually running out of this?

There are all kinds of great inside running plays you can run from that split back set.  Trap, Iso (and QB Double Iso), and Inside Zone, for starters, should be more than enough to hit between the tackles.  Power is doable but the angle for the playside RB to kick out is a little weird (he has to run a "J" path--go up into the line, then step out and fit with his head inside the block).

It sounds like your OL coach may not have been the greatest if you were drive blocking but struggling to run inside with the LBs outside.  I'd really study up on blocking schemes and coaching points for the following plays:

Inside Zone (you can run this to one RB while the other gets in a pitch relationship and you fake a triple option)

Iso (basically the same, but skip over the 1st LB past the C with your OL--that's who the RB will "Isolate" on)

Counter (with the playside of the OL blocking down, BSG kicking out, and the H wrapping to the 1st LB past the C on that side)

Trap (like Inside Zone, you can run this to one RB while the other gets into a decoy pitch relationship).

Try those.  Study them.  Learn how to teach the blocking inside and out.  You will be able to run inside and off tackle.

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Re: Split Gun or DW Help!
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2018, 11:43:13 AM »
Dusty,

I believe I need a new blocking scheme. The o-line coach we had last year is moving up to 12u and he basically did drive blocking. However, I want my o-line to block more as a unit in the spread.

For inside runs, we block Gap On Backer. We don't drive block. Instead, we start with 5-6' splits and move the defense pre-snap. Linemen are trained to go all in on speed and balance at the expense of power. Get in their way. Stay in their way. Take them where they want to go. Your job is to be on your man when the whistle blows (thanks Michael).

The linemen are also trained to talk and figure things out because we never know what defense are going to bring against us. We point out our man to our buddies. Double teaming a guy is bad. Letting a guy go unblocked is worse.

The back's job is to find the green and run to it.

We do our best to "run where they ain't". So in your case, if a team widens their linebackers, we are going to run inside.
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Re: Split Gun or DW Help!
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2018, 12:49:07 PM »
Gumby, thanks man.