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Defensive End Play: FIST Technique
« on: February 22, 2014, 01:32:33 PM »
FIST Technique

An alternate FIST technique can also be used by either end:



Stance: A two point stance with the inside foot is back with most of the weight on the front foot. The feet should be inside their shoulders about 6” to 10” apart. The front foot is the drive foot and the back foot as the balance foot. The stance is not a contact stance; the upper body should be relaxed and poised for movement.

Alignment: The ends should have their inside foot a yard outside of the offensive tight end or tackle, on a line that is at a 45° angle to the line of scrimmage. They should be “running” through the stance of their near back key and crowding the ball.

Initial Movement: The ends key the ball for movement. They read the near back through the tight end or tackle. The read steps are taken on the line through the near back’s stance. The initial step is taken with the inside foot. The ends should pick up the direction and movement of the near back, blocking scheme and level of the ball as above.


I've been reading the Split 4-4 material written by Ara Parseghian and Pete Dyer.  They taught a similar techniques to the above:

Stance/alignment:  Parseghian used a three point stance with the inside hand down and Dyer used a two point stance as above.  Inside foot is back and outside foot is up.  The end is cocked at a 45 degree angle to the line of scrimmage.

Read Steps / Defensive Charge:  The end's initial charge is three read steps on that 45 degree angle reading his near back.  The first step is with the inside foot.  After his three read steps, his inisde foot is up and his outside leg is back in the typical contain position.  Unless the TE/tackle block out, he's two yards into the backfield playing contain from that point by reacting to the near back: kick-out, outside, away, inside and pass set.  If the TE/tackle block out, nuetralize the block with his inside shoulder and forearm and be ready for the play to bounce outside.  He must always be aware not create a seam between himself and the next defender inside by getting too far upfield our getting kicked out.

Regardless of the technique you use, one of the strengths of this defense is how it contains the outside play.  The only way to get outside is to give ground deep to get over the hump where the inside out pusuit tracks the runner down.

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Re: Defensive End Play: FIST Technique
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2015, 12:44:01 PM »
What if the TE logs the DE?
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Re: Defensive End Play: FIST Technique
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2015, 04:09:21 PM »
What if the TE logs the DE?

Tough for TE to log block with the wide alignment cocked in at that angle.  He still has contain so he can't allow himself to be hooked - keep outside leg and arm free.
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Re: Defensive End Play: FIST Technique
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2015, 06:39:03 PM »
do you see a problem with contain being that the de's shoulders arent square?   could a speedy back on  toss sweep simply out run the de given that his first three steps are inside on that 45 angle?  it seems almost like he is crashing

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Re: Defensive End Play: FIST Technique
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2015, 11:10:36 AM »
Did you use that Jr.?


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Re: Defensive End Play: FIST Technique
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2015, 11:20:49 AM »
do you see a problem with contain being that the de's shoulders arent square?   could a speedy back on  toss sweep simply out run the de given that his first three steps are inside on that 45 angle?  it seems almost like he is crashing

He should be tracking the near backs outside hip on his read steps.  If the near hip opens he needs to adjust his path to keep his leverage
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Re: Defensive End Play: FIST Technique
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2015, 11:37:20 AM »
Strongside End is going inside the TE correct?   That's what picture shows.
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Would he change that if near back opened his hips?


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Re: Defensive End Play: FIST Technique
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2015, 01:53:27 PM »
He should be tracking the near backs outside hip on his read steps.  If the near hip opens he needs to adjust his path to keep his leverage

interesting.....in the gambler on a crash call we have the lb flow outside with flow his way.....I like the technique I think it is doable with drills---do you know of any 46 teams that have used this technique?

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Re: Defensive End Play: FIST Technique
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2015, 05:33:04 PM »
Did you use that Jr.?

Not very much and usually with the weak end when he had outside support from the OLB.
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Re: Defensive End Play: FIST Technique
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2015, 05:36:46 PM »
Strongside End is going inside the TE correct?   That's what picture shows.
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Would he change that if near back opened his hips?

He is on a path thru the heels of the TE.  He is tracking the the near hip of his near back key.
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Re: Defensive End Play: FIST Technique
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2015, 05:39:52 PM »
interesting.....in the gambler on a crash call we have the lb flow outside with flow his way.....I like the technique I think it is doable with drills---do you know of any 46 teams that have used this technique?

Not sure about othe 46 teams, but the I think it's possible given the similarities between the split and 46.

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Re: Defensive End Play: FIST Technique
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2015, 08:02:55 PM »
how about using it verses an option team as a call to smash the qb right now?

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Re: Defensive End Play: FIST Technique
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2015, 09:46:11 PM »
how about using it verses an option team as a call to smash the qb right now?

Yes!
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Re: Defensive End Play: FIST Technique
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2015, 09:17:40 AM »
This is basically the technique I teach, except they are to end up 4-5 yards behind the center where handoffs and things will happen and then track the ball.  In general this is my Lawrence Taylor mayhem creating positions.  We use our better or best athletes at DE.

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Re: Defensive End Play: FIST Technique
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2016, 03:48:26 PM »
hey guys, here is a 4-4 end question:

how do you have your ends handle it when the tackle releases inside and the FB is kicking out?  sub the block?  try to defeat it? 

any drills?
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