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Simple DT assignments
« on: December 19, 2012, 04:43:56 AM »
At 9, I don't feel we will face many teams that trap.  If we do, we should see it in scouting and be able to prepare.

I have one DT that is small but strong, played NG/FB last season.  If the C whiffed he would be flying, literally into the backfield on the snap.  We can develop another, or rotate.

I am wondering if I weaken the defense if I have them in a 4i, tilted, with the goal being to hit he G, and bounce into the B gap while hopefully drawing the down block from the T.

This serves 2 purposes, squeezes the A gap, controls the B gap and puts an aggressive player in the hip pocket of a puller.  If the G goes, follow him to the play.  Gives me penetration without stunting or blitzing.

Do I hurt the soundness of the defense by making this my base assignment for my DT's?

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Re: Simple DT assignments
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2012, 08:32:16 AM »
At 9, I don't feel we will face many teams that trap.  If we do, we should see it in scouting and be able to prepare.

I have one DT that is small but strong, played NG/FB last season.  If the C whiffed he would be flying, literally into the backfield on the snap.  We can develop another, or rotate.

I am wondering if I weaken the defense if I have them in a 4i, tilted, with the goal being to hit he G, and bounce into the B gap while hopefully drawing the down block from the T.

This serves 2 purposes, squeezes the A gap, controls the B gap and puts an aggressive player in the hip pocket of a puller.  If the G goes, follow him to the play.  Gives me penetration without stunting or blitzing.

Do I hurt the soundness of the defense by making this my base assignment for my DT's?

No it does not hurt the integrity of the front.  When we have done it, we still align in a 3 tech (really a wide 3).  Helmet is on the outside shoulder and the hips are outside the shoulders (45 degree angle although Clarke would tell you they should be at 60 degrees).   Drive through the ear hole of the guard. Use the guard’s body to squeeze A gap and your body to control B gap (Clarke would tell you to drive the near forearm into the center and hit hear head on the hip of the guard).  Regardless of the technique, keep the guard off the linebacker, compress the A gap and control the B gap.   Look for any trapper and follow any pulling guard.  Still need to be carefull not to over penetrate until they find the ball.
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Re: Simple DT assignments
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2012, 07:51:37 AM »
Jr T- any issues with reach blocks or down and fold using this technique?

(ie tackle down, guard fold around)- IN your experience, and I ask this because if we "Ninja" our 46, we end up in a split 44 with man to man coverage in some cases...- in your experience, how much trouble if any have you had with reach blocks or drive blocks where the dt is held by the guard.


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Re: Simple DT assignments
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2012, 08:52:26 AM »
Jr T- any issues with reach blocks or down and fold using this technique?

(ie tackle down, guard fold around)- IN your experience, and I ask this because if we "Ninja" our 46, we end up in a split 44 with man to man coverage in some cases...- in your experience, how much trouble if any have you had with reach blocks or drive blocks where the dt is held by the guard.


Heres our 46 in our NINJA look...

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We did not see many teams trying to fold block that playside stack.  Probably since we are talikng middle school ball although we did see some G/Down scheme.  The 3 tech in this pinch technique must collision the guard which disrupts any pull to the outside.
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Re: Simple DT assignments
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2013, 09:52:04 AM »
We did not see many teams trying to fold block that playside stack.  Probably since we are talikng middle school ball although we did see some G/Down scheme.  The 3 tech in this pinch technique must collision the guard which disrupts any pull to the outside.

Jr just curious to get your take on the different lines of thinking regarding DL techniques. There are those who think head up is best because the OL does not know which gap the DL is slanting to and that if you are in a say 1 or 3 tech that the kid has to be better than the kid across from him. Obviously your d or any d that does not play head up is or can be successful as well or you wouldn't play it. So in your opinion, pluses and minuses of the 2 philosophies

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Re: Simple DT assignments
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2013, 02:12:57 PM »
Jr just curious to get your take on the different lines of thinking regarding DL techniques. There are those who think head up is best because the OL does not know which gap the DL is slanting to and that if you are in a say 1 or 3 tech that the kid has to be better than the kid across from him. Obviously your d or any d that does not play head up is or can be successful as well or you wouldn't play it. So in your opinion, pluses and minuses of the 2 philosophies

Unless you are playing a read technique, which I would not recommend for youth players, you should have them shaded and playing an attacking technique - aggressively engaging the OL keeping them off the linebackers until he finds the ball.  This ensures that the LBs are protected and that the gap is secured.  The only time we move head up is if we have a stunt called.  I don't agree that if you are a 1 or 3 technique that they have to be better than the OL they are shading.  They need to create a stalemate and not get driven backward or turned out.  If they can create double teams, then you got a player.  If the tackles are weaker/MPP you can A gap them and move the LBS out to 40 techniques (play a WT6 alignment). 
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Re: Simple DT assignments
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2013, 05:37:11 AM »
Unless you are playing a read technique, which I would not recommend for youth players, you should have them shaded and playing an attacking technique - aggressively engaging the OL keeping them off the linebackers until he finds the ball.  This ensures that the LBs are protected and that the gap is secured.  The only time we move head up is if we have a stunt called.  I don't agree that if you are a 1 or 3 technique that they have to be better than the OL they are shading.  They need to create a stalemate and not get driven backward or turned out.  If they can create double teams, then you got a player.  If the tackles are weaker/MPP you can A gap them and move the LBS out to 40 techniques (play a WT6 alignment).

So if you were in a 30 front would you still gap or shade your players?

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Re: Simple DT assignments
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2013, 05:48:25 AM »
So if you were in a 30 front would you still gap or shade your players?

If you are slanting or if the player has a two gap responsibility, play them head up.
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Re: Simple DT assignments
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2013, 08:28:30 AM »
Unless you are playing a read technique, which I would not recommend for youth players, you should have them shaded and playing an attacking technique - aggressively engaging the OL keeping them off the linebackers until he finds the ball.  This ensures that the LBs are protected and that the gap is secured.  The only time we move head up is if we have a stunt called.  I don't agree that if you are a 1 or 3 technique that they have to be better than the OL they are shading.  They need to create a stalemate and not get driven backward or turned out.  If they can create double teams, then you got a player.  If the tackles are weaker/MPP you can A gap them and move the LBS out to 40 techniques (play a WT6 alignment).

ok so if I understand, if you are in the split base the DT's are shaded but if you call strong slant, weak slant, slant to etc they can either be shaded or head up?

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Re: Simple DT assignments
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2013, 08:59:41 AM »
ok so if I understand, if you are in the split base the DT's are shaded but if you call strong slant, weak slant, slant to etc they can either be shaded or head up?


That's right.  Also depends on the player too.  We have had some who could line up in 3 tech and still take an A gap on a "plug" stunt as an example.  Typically we have them cheat to head up.


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Re: Simple DT assignments
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2013, 09:26:16 AM »
That's right.  Also depends on the player too.  We have had some who could line up in 3 tech and still take an A gap on a "plug" stunt as an example.  Typically we have them cheat to head up.




awesome.. and I think I read elsewhere in the forum where these plug stunts and cover 0 blitzes work well with inverted cover 2?

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Re: Simple DT assignments
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2013, 09:45:02 AM »
awesome.. and I think I read elsewhere in the forum where these plug stunts and cover 0 blitzes work well with inverted cover 2?

Cover 0 definitely.  With inverted cover 2, we typically would only blitz the Mike since the FS is aggressive to the curl area to the strong side.   
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Re: Simple DT assignments
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2013, 10:18:09 AM »
Cover 0 definitely.  With inverted cover 2, we typically would only blitz the Mike since the FS is aggressive to the curl area to the strong side.

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