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Offline Jags10

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wider than normal wings
« on: November 07, 2013, 07:40:45 PM »
Coach, I was wondering how you handle a TE AND a wing, where the wing may be a little more split than the average?

I confess, after running your split last year at the JR. Midget level I'm helping a friend with his younger son now, and I'm running the split 4-4's ancestor, the WT6. I know it's a different defense, but I just wanted to recall how you would deal with it in the split, and maybe I can translate that into the Wt6. Honestly, I don't remember having this issue last year with the split anyway.

We started with Cisar's version due to the same reasons most do-minimum play players and no real studs. Of course, there now exists on this board a rift over the styles of WT6. Now, you have Coach Mountjoy (who has earned all his respect), making me feel like i'm running a bastardized version of the defense by placing my DT in a "5" instead of a "7" :D.  with DG's who can only handle one A gap each, that's not easy. I feel stupid.

however, my bigger problem, at least this weekend is the presence of those wings who may align just a tad deeper and a little wider. it's further complicated when there is a split and the corner is occupied...we play man-cover 0 at this point...and I'm fine with that.



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Re: wider than normal wings
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2013, 06:23:55 PM »
Is your question regarding def end alignment?
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Re: wider than normal wings
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2013, 09:39:30 AM »
Yes sir.

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Re: wider than normal wings
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2013, 05:22:58 PM »
Coach, I was wondering how you handle a TE AND a wing, where the wing may be a little more split than the average?

I confess, after running your split last year at the JR. Midget level I'm helping a friend with his younger son now, and I'm running the split 4-4's ancestor, the WT6. I know it's a different defense, but I just wanted to recall how you would deal with it in the split, and maybe I can translate that into the Wt6. Honestly, I don't remember having this issue last year with the split anyway.

We started with Cisar's version due to the same reasons most do-minimum play players and no real studs. Of course, there now exists on this board a rift over the styles of WT6. Now, you have Coach Mountjoy (who has earned all his respect), making me feel like i'm running a bastardized version of the defense by placing my DT in a "5" instead of a "7" :D.  with DG's who can only handle one A gap each, that's not easy. I feel stupid.

however, my bigger problem, at least this weekend is the presence of those wings who may align just a tad deeper and a little wider. it's further complicated when there is a split and the corner is occupied...we play man-cover 0 at this point...and I'm fine with that.

Sorry for missing this post.  Here is our alignment rules for the DE with a TE/Wing alingment (i.e., "strong wing") with the wing split:

  • 0 – 1 yard – play outside shoulder
  • 2 – 3 yards – play head up wing
  • > 3 yards – normal alignment – be weary of down block by wing

The corner will align five yards deep and two yards outside the wing (i.e., "hard corner").


... it's further complicated when there is a split and the corner is occupied...

Was the TE covered (e.g., an over formation), uncovered ("trey" formation: TE-Wing-Z) or no TE (slot formation: Wing with an X)?
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Re: wider than normal wings
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2013, 03:26:33 PM »
It sounds like he is facing something like this:


----------------------------O
------O--------------------O--------------------O
-------------------O-O-O-O-O-O-O

Or the wings are in a nasty split so maybe not so wide.  Also, not sure if the backfield is empty so above is a quess only.

I guess based on the above I would think the corners would have the wingbacks since they are first outside receivers.  Your DGs in the A gaps, your DTs could be in the C gaps and your DEs in the D gaps.  LBs would have B gap responsibilty with full flow.  In Cisar's WT6, I think the LBs would also have the TEs if they were running routes but I may be wrong.  It's been a while since I read the manual.  Safety would come up on run support and read the QBs frint shoulder on pass.

If the DTs are any good you might try to have them push their assigned man into the B gap and pitch it closed but depending on the age you would probably only accomplish this about 15-20% of the time.

Out of curiousity, is th eteam you are facing a rules blocking team?  If so, have you determined which rule they use?

Hope there is something helpful for you here.

Dan