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Celina Youth 10-1
« on: February 02, 2012, 05:32:27 PM »
In my quest to learn more about the 10-1, I came across these youtube videos.



The thing that you will notice the most is that there are only minimal similarities between the high school 10-1 and the youth football version. So after a little digging, I was able to get hold of one of the Celina youth football coaches.

He told me to think 5-2 monster. And if  you notice from the video, you will see a rover who seems to align to the wide side of the field. The DL does gap, but also slants. The corners are not up in press coverage like the HS. Coach told me that that can vary from year to year depending on the personnel. What surprised me the most was that he told me that what I thought were DEs on the TEs with the CBs playing wide 9 was actually the opposite. 

He also said that teams usually try to spread them out, so they don't play a lot of straight 10-1. When they do, it's more 9-1-1.

He told me that their team has won like 13 titles in the last 16 years, many undefeated. High school or youth, I guess you can't argue with success.

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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2012, 08:21:20 AM »
I got some film from coach ford last season,they were in special and buddy all game vs a wing t team. They did very well!

I think its funny that celina youth isnt playing press man... They sure as hell dont play zone too often, not even in the 26.  :-X
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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2012, 10:59:17 AM »
In the base the d-line is shin scraping, in special do they still shin scrape? Does the nose two gap? I'm looking more from the GMP side of things but the d-line play is taken strickly from the 10-1. Just not sure how they play in special.
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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2012, 03:56:37 PM »
In the base the d-line is shin scraping, in special do they still shin scrape? Does the nose two gap? I'm looking more from the GMP side of things but the d-line play is taken strickly from the 10-1. Just not sure how they play in special.

Butch would tell you just control the center, you can beat him in a gap or head on he lets the nose dictate the game plan.

Any gapped defender shin scrapes un less told otherwise
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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2012, 06:23:10 PM »
Butch would tell you just control the center, you can beat him in a gap or head on he lets the nose dictate the game plan.

Any gapped defender shin scrapes un less told otherwise


Here's some 10-1 stuff..............

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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2012, 06:33:58 PM »

Here's some 10-1 stuff..............

Sorry about that problems with it...............

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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2012, 06:49:21 PM »
Theres a guy on hueys "celinadefense" i sent him one email and he gave me the evolution story.

They have been more multiple since 2000 with the spread emerging but they keep the 10-1 attacking mentality

In special theyve used a tatic called "push" where sam and mike stack behind 3 techs and push the B gapper to help penetrate, ive asked about how they teach it and not hurt there players

This defense is best with less talented kids bc of the out of the box thinking that comes with it
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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2012, 08:18:04 PM »
Theres a guy on hueys "celinadefense" i sent him one email and he gave me the evolution story.

They have been more multiple since 2000 with the spread emerging but they keep the 10-1 attacking mentality

In special theyve used a tatic called "push" where sam and mike stack behind 3 techs and push the B gapper to help penetrate, ive asked about how they teach it and not hurt there players

This defense is best with less talented kids bc of the out of the box thinking that comes with it
The thing that draws me to the 10-1 scheme is its simplistic and attacking approach. There really isn't a lot to think about except maybe alignment to the various formations. Our team is usually physically smaller than other teams we play and we generally have only about 16-19 kids per team. I prefer to  spend more time with the offense so that we can put points up to stay in the game, but I also know that I can't spend as much time as I want on the defense. So, it behooves me to use a scheme that is very simple and can get the job accomplished without having to worry about a lot of different rules, especially when you have 6 or 7 kids who have to play both ways and have to learn offense and defense.

I've had some pms with celinadefense on Huey's and go there regularly to try to pick up as much as I can. This is the first that I've heard of a "push" defensive stunt.

In fact, I asked a question the other day about the necessity of teaching the 26 to 10-12yo because in our league, we don't see a lot of spread stuff. It's there, but we see much more power offenses like straight-T, power-I, I-pro, wing-t, etc. that run 95% of the time and throw maybe 3-4 passes a game. And the 26 is what they (Celina) use primarily now for spread. His response was to stick basically with the 10-1/10-1 special and if the kids could get that down, then maybe you could teach them 26.
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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2012, 08:48:31 PM »
The thing that draws me to the 10-1 scheme is its simplistic and attacking approach. There really isn't a lot to think about except maybe alignment to the various formations. Our team is usually physically smaller than other teams we play and we generally have only about 16-19 kids per team. I prefer to  spend more time with the offense so that we can put points up to stay in the game, but I also know that I can't spend as much time as I want on the defense. So, it behooves me to use a scheme that is very simple and can get the job accomplished without having to worry about a lot of different rules, especially when you have 6 or 7 kids who have to play both ways and have to learn offense and defense.

I've had some pms with celinadefense on Huey's and go there regularly to try to pick up as much as I can. This is the first that I've heard of a "push" defensive stunt.

In fact, I asked a question the other day about the necessity of teaching the 26 to 10-12yo because in our league, we don't see a lot of spread stuff. It's there, but we see much more power offenses like straight-T, power-I, I-pro, wing-t, etc. that run 95% of the time and throw maybe 3-4 passes a game. And the 26 is what they (Celina) use primarily now for spread. His response was to stick basically with the 10-1/10-1 special and if the kids could get that down, then maybe you could teach them 26.

Totally agree

My plan was to run straight 10 first scrimmage, special second, buddy for game one, then show them 26 and basically make calls to create the 10 and special.

For straight 10 from 26 call is saw, sam and will stunt they call inside or outside and create the 10. For special ill call 26 mike where we only send 1 lb and create special.

The trick is getting into buddy from 26 maybe celina or superpower can answer but thats where im going with the 10 package if i run it this year
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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2014, 12:51:26 PM »
I'm curious if they have their corners playing off man instead of press man because they aren't as concerned about the pass as much at the youth level. Would off man allow the corners to be more involved in the run game than they would be in press man?

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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2014, 01:09:18 PM »
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Yes, at the younger age groups Celina puts in some slight changes in the assignments/alignments because of the lack of or small number of passing attempts compared to what they see on Friday nights. 
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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2014, 07:11:25 AM »
Viking,

Do you have first hand knowledge? If so could you elaborate more. Vince likend it to 52 monster is there more info that either could share?
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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2014, 10:51:41 AM »
Yes, I coach in Texas near Celina and have been able to visit with them on occasions. Some back when GA Moore was still HC and Butch Ford was defensive coordinator/assistant coach. And other times when Coach Ford took over as HC when GA Moore left. We mostly run the odd front version of the 10-1 aka Special (take out an A gapper and replace with another LBer). Some say it looks like the 5-2 but the rules, responsibilities, and philosophy are different. The number of LBers all depends on how many RBs are in the backfield. Special morphs to fit against any offense quickly and easily (one of the many reasons I like it). It's all in the details though of how each position is trained. It's definitely a "pin you ears back and go get'em style of play" which I love about it. Penetration kills everything and this defense gives you loads of that. I only run the Special version of the 10-1 and also some 26 (another variation) because it fits what we like to do and our personnel. We've been thrilled with the results running it and the kids love it too!

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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2014, 11:53:13 AM »
10-1 special is more of a "46" cousin than any type of 52 okie/eagle front from what I can tell.
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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2014, 03:52:19 PM »
Yes, I coach in Texas near Celina and have been able to visit with them on occasions. Some back when GA Moore was still HC and Butch Ford was defensive coordinator/assistant coach. And other times when Coach Ford took over as HC when GA Moore left. We mostly run the odd front version of the 10-1 aka Special (take out an A gapper and replace with another LBer). Some say it looks like the 5-2 but the rules, responsibilities, and philosophy are different. The number of LBers all depends on how many RBs are in the backfield. Special morphs to fit against any offense quickly and easily (one of the many reasons I like it). It's all in the details though of how each position is trained. It's definitely a "pin you ears back and go get'em style of play" which I love about it. Penetration kills everything and this defense gives you loads of that. I only run the Special version of the 10-1 and also some 26 (another variation) because it fits what we like to do and our personnel. We've been thrilled with the results running it and the kids love it too!

Do you generally play w/ dedicated DE's? What are the coverage responsibilities? If you are using special are you lined 404 or in the gaps?
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