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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2014, 06:25:01 PM »
In Special (Celina base version) you have 2 DEs. If you make a "Buddy call" against a TE set, then the DE would stay outside the TE and the SS lines up just inside the TE. If no Buddy call, the DE gets in the C gap and the SS walks up just on the outside of the TE. Celina almost always runs the Buddy call when the offense has a wingback (per Coach Moore and Coach Ford). For me, most times it's a week to week call. It will depend on their TE vs your SS or your DE (which is a better matchup for you).  Also, what type of offense are you facing and what are their favorite base plays that you want to take away from them to make them run their other plays that aren't their bread and butter. Personally, if I have the stud(s) DE that have a motor and comes off the edge hard while also having a SS that can handle the TE and not get down blocked, I'll keep my DEs outside the whole game and let then wreak havoc in the backfield.
In Special you have a 2 gap zero technique NT, the next 2 down linemen are in the B gaps, DEs have contain if lined up outside (or Buddy call), the SS has the TE man to man unless a Snake call is made.
   

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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2014, 06:44:47 PM »
In Special (Celina base version) you have 2 DEs. If you make a "Buddy call" against a TE set, then the DE would stay outside the TE and the SS lines up just inside the TE. If no Buddy call, the DE gets in the C gap and the SS walks up just on the outside of the TE. Celina almost always runs the Buddy call when the offense has a wingback (per Coach Moore and Coach Ford).So, you make a buddy call against a wingback, due you treat a wing as the #1 receiver? Are you going to put both the Corner and the Safety on the line or do you mirror the depth For me, most times it's a week to week call. It will depend on their TE vs your SS or your DE (which is a better matchup for you).  Also, what type of offense are you facing and what are their favorite base plays that you want to take away from them to make them run their other plays that aren't their bread and butter. Personally, if I have the stud(s) DE that have a motor and comes off the edge hard while also having a SS that can handle the TE and not get down blocked, I'll keep my DEs outside the whole game and let then wreak havoc in the backfield.
In Special you have a 2 gap zero technique NT, the next 2 down linemen are in the B gaps, DEs have contain if lined up outside (or Buddy call), the SS has the TE man to man unless a Snake call is made.
 



                          TB
                          FB
          WB           QB
               E  T  G  C  G  T  E
      E        C   T    N    T  E  C
           SS       S       W

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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2014, 07:03:32 PM »
Against the diagram you have, the DE is coming off the edge to attack the backfield but MUST keep contain and tackle everything with his inside shoulder. The SS has man to man responsibility with that wingback all over the field.
For me, maybe semantics or position names but I put the SS in the C gap against the TE because my SS is bigger and stronger than my CB. I'd have my CB play the wingback man to man (basically I'd switch the SS and CB from your diagram in the way that I run Special based on my personnel). I have played it both ways and mirrored the depth and also put that CB on the LOS too. I based what I did on the offense's base plays and on the skills/athleticism of my CB. Make sure that if that wingback goes in motion, the defender that has to "man up" on him must beat him to the other side...

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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2014, 07:36:45 PM »
I think in youth ball the wing is probably the better player(between WB and the TE), my SS would be the better player over the corner and be a better match against the wing. Again semantics!
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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2014, 07:43:11 PM »
Coach, I would have to agree with you. I've seen way more skilled/athletic kids at WB than at TE in youth football. Most times the TE is just another blocking lineman in youth ball but not always (depending on scheme). If you do switch them and put your CB in the C gap, just have him coached up on the "gap technique" required so as to not get blocked down and blown out of the hole. 

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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2014, 09:10:31 PM »
Two questions, in HS ball the sweep is probably not as big of a play as it is in youth ball, do you find it more difficult to contain with your corners and safeties or with the d-end? Could you also explain the "gap technique" used by the corners when they are playing the C gap role?
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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2014, 11:55:19 PM »
Yes, I have found that the sweep is the big play that most youth coaches go to for sure. In HS it's mostly the off-tackle Power play. Running Special your DEs are responsible for contain. Versus different formations/offenses it could be the SS or the CB being responsible for contain. Normally my DEs are better at it because they do it more often than the CBs or SS. In youth ball I'd definitely keep my DE on the outside whenever possible and rep it to death to get them great at it. In youth ball it was more difficult to contain with my CBs mostly because they were smaller/lighter and not as physical as my DEs or SS.
The FS's job is Cover 1 with his eye on the QB eyes and also on the QB if he runs the ball. With DE keeping contain that funnels the ball carrier back into the FS and MLBer.
The "gap technique" (whether it's for a B gapper or C gapper) relies on penetration at all costs. Inside foot is forward to help prevent getting down blocked. You cannot get down blocked while in the gap. Ideally they are in a 4 pt stance, extremely low with facemask less than 1 foot off the ground (at youth age you may have to modify but always have inside foot forward). You can shoot thru untouched, ricochet off the down block into the backfield, or split a double team. Stay low and explode thru the LOS and into the backfield looking for the ball.

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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2014, 12:08:41 PM »
Corners don't play the 7tech its always the strong safety. 

The sweep killer is just good ole 10-1 with everyone on the los.

The reason for the buddy call is to create the alley for the mike to fill. As Butch has said " defensive trap play"  the way they contain is not like most of you would see it as a "box" effect. Its more of a leverage effect. Ball in front and  ball inside.
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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2014, 01:23:43 PM »
Zach is right. Playing it straight out of Celina's defensive playbook the previous offensive diagram should look like this with the "Buddy call." The SS is in a 7 tech, the DE plays outside contain coming off the edge, and the CB is playing man on the WB:

                          TB
                          FB
          WB           QB
               E  T  G  C  G  T  E
      E       SS  T    N    T  E  C
           C         S       W

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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2014, 01:30:25 PM »
Zach,

Corners don't play the 7tech its always the strong safety.  Double TE Buddy call?

The sweep killer is just good ole 10-1 with everyone on the los. Is there no need for the Buddy call?

The reason for the buddy call is to create the alley for the mike to fill. As Butch has said " defensive trap play"  So it's a set up?the way they contain is not like most of you would see it as a "box" effect.Are you talking in the buddy call or base? Its more of a leverage effect. Ball in front and  ball inside.
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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2014, 01:31:25 PM »
Zach is right. Playing it straight out of Celina's defensive playbook the previous offensive diagram should look like this with the "Buddy call." The SS is in a 7 tech, the DE plays outside contain coming off the edge, and the CB is playing man on the WB:

                          TB
                          FB
          WB           QB
               E  T  G  C  G  T  E
      E       SS  T    N    T  E  C
           C         S       W

                          FS

What would this look like without the buddy call?
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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2014, 03:12:44 PM »
Double te doesnt mean they go buddy. Buddy is is more for a wing set or a scheme that kicks and leads through.

Full house back field straight 10 is best

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The safeties here have back out on pass and edge vs run get it back to the mike

Double wing you can go double buddy but I know they are very against a small corner on a te.

I've seen this from a 10-1 guy in Kansas... they also will drop the safety into the 7 and play 2 lbs in the middle in special. In straight ten no single high just eliminate the safety from the drawing and add an A gap player.
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I came up with my buddy slide call to which mimicked over shifted 6 toward a single wing. This keeps my corners in a 9/6i.

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---------0-0-0-#-0-0-0
---9---$-7--3--0--3--7-c
------c----------m
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Buddy call is to set the edge and squeeze it to the mike.
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Now wing to center gaps 9 comes up fast and tight to the wings hip and takes on B inside shoulder ...mike now has an alley to fill his (mike) aiming point is to attack the inside foot of the def end.
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------9-b
---------[-------]0-0-0-0-0
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Mike now can fill the alley...he gauges speed of the runner and pursuits him inside out as aggressively as possible.

They want to funnel the rbc into that alley but are not afraid to bounce it for a spill n kill scenario
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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2014, 03:30:16 PM »
Do they ever run cover 0 in special or is there always a safety high?

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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2014, 06:40:35 PM »
Cover 0 vs empty backfield:

             
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       R                                    R       R
  R                T  G  C  G  T                     R
   C            E   T    N    T   E                  C
        SS                               FS     W
                           M
 
All 5 eligible receivers are against press man coverage. M has the QB all over the field. 
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Re: Celina Youth 10-1
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2014, 07:02:48 PM »
This look is the similar to GMP special call except that Will would be last to adjust.
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