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Offline ZACH

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is the "10" for you
« on: May 21, 2014, 09:44:20 AM »
Ive been emailed by a few coaches the last few days and figures ide share some knowledge.

-If you already have a personnel set up you like...stick with it (4-3,3-4,4-4,33 ect).

- first rule of the 10 if its not working get out of it. Refer back to point 1

- the 10 was built as a situational package... you can use it situationally. I constantly refer to okie dog pinch and tiger cat

- commitment to the 10 means commitment to simplicity *man coverage * go sickem

- if you face a lot of spread teams the 10 should be non existent...still keep the idea of pressure.. dont line up 6 down and yell "charge!!" either be smart

-if you face a lot of te sets single closed or double closed you cab be very succesful with the 10

- if you face a lot of 3 back sets its succesfull

-10 is one assignment football... you cover...you go kill things near the football

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Re: is the "10" for you
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2014, 02:48:04 PM »
We put in a 10-1 situational D about half way through our first season last year. We liked to use it when we had someone backed up, we forced 4 safeties with it. We called it Thor's Hammer (most of our D calls were superheros - 8 year olds  ;D).  We never huddled so I would just yell "HAMMER! HAMMER!" from the sideline after the offense was lined up.  Half of the time the offense would jump offsides when our boys moved in to bring the hammer down.  This was a quick and easy adjustment from our 5-4 base.  I don't know that I would use it as my base D, but it's something every youth defensive coach should have in his tool bag in my opinion.

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Re: is the "10" for you
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2014, 07:12:49 PM »
Zach,

How much 10-1 did you run this past season? I am well aware that it may need to be a situational defense depending upon what formations you are seeing from the offense but, in general, which down did you utilize the 10-1 most frequently (ex. 1-10, 2nd-long, 2-medium, 2nd-short, etc.)? What did you find that teams liked to do when you aligned in the 10-1?

Thanks for the help.
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Re: is the "10" for you
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2014, 11:54:48 AM »
We were in the 10 all season. But to the normal coach we werent.  We based 4-2-5 with automatics that put us in a 10 look. We play a tight end that side is 10. Double tightend full 10.
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Re: is the "10" for you
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2014, 10:00:09 PM »
When you faced a team that had a tight end to one side and a split end to the other (with no slotback immediately outside the OT to the split end side), you stated that to the TE side you were in the 10. What type of alignment(s) did you use to the SE side?

Secondly, against motion, did you get either into our out of the 10-1 when the motion came to you or went away from you as a defender?

Lastly, who did you move to the MLB spot when you moved from your 4-2-5 look to the 10? Did you simply slide your FS up?

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Re: is the "10" for you
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2014, 10:15:42 PM »
ok you want everything... i think the biggest mistake is conformity with defense lets begin with that.  Just because someone did it before one way doesnt mean you cant make it better or come up with something better

our 425 has basic alignment rules- corners have 1 from sideline spurs have 2, 3 is determine by call either mlb or fs

single te
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-----------c-e---b---t-----3--5-----------------c
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to explain this i have 10 special set up to the TE and 425 set up to the split end.  TE side LB went to the 3 tech, tackle went to nose.

motion is not a favorable option vs my team bc i will never give you the counter play you desire and ill throw more bodies then you can block.  we use auto blitz mahonz and auto blitz rosenthal vs motion and counter teams, this is done via game plan during the week.  We called it "green light" (mahonz) and "water fall" (rosenthal). 

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Re: is the "10" for you
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2014, 03:02:21 PM »
Zach,

Thanks for the response and the diagram. It was extremely helpful.

I have another question: Why is the DE one the strong side (ex. side of the TE/WB) aligned outside the WB while the other side (ex. with a TE only) has the TE aligned in the C-gap and the CB playing on/outside the TE? I would think that by making both sides a mirror of each other and then rolling the secondary one way or the other to cover the receivers, fewer alignment errors would take place.

Maybe it is just me but I see the 10-1 and the Special being balanced defenses (an equal number of defenders to each side of the football) with the secondary possibly overshifting one way or the other to make the defensive look appear to be unbalanced (vs trips, I twins, etc.). Am I thinking about this correctly or did I miss something?

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Re: is the "10" for you
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2014, 03:53:03 PM »
Theres no wing.

General rule def end has c gap vs closed sets

Edge play vs open sets
--in open sets hes a lb reading backfield and has first back out (similiar to dc46).

The 10 is "too simple" for most.

Defense needs to be simple so kids can fly.
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Re: is the "10" for you
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2014, 11:44:00 AM »
Theres no wing.

General rule def end has c gap vs closed sets

Edge play vs open sets
--in open sets hes a lb reading backfield and has first back out (similiar to dc46).

The 10 is "too simple" for most.

Defense needs to be simple so kids can fly.

This is what I loved about it when we used it.  The kids were begging to run it at times just bc they thought it was so much fun and so simple.

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Re: is the "10" for you
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2014, 01:02:40 PM »
Zach,

What has been your basic look against shotgun spread teams that like to run the ball? Might you use a variation of the "10" with people in the gaps? How would you align against an I formation team with a pair of split ends and a wide twins look to one side that likes to run the ball? Would you get into and play the "10" or would you have to check into something else?

Secondly, how much do you align directly in the "10" and play and how much do you align in your basic look and stunt/blitz into the "10"?

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Re: is the "10" for you
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2014, 01:21:52 PM »
Zach,

What has been your basic look against shotgun spread teams that like to run the ball? Might you use a variation of the "10" with people in the gaps? How would you align against an I formation team with a pair of split ends and a wide twins look to one side that likes to run the ball? Would you get into and play the "10" or would you have to check into something else?

Secondly, how much do you align directly in the "10" and play and how much do you align in your basic look and stunt/blitz into the "10"?

Thanks.

The 10 was meant for closed sets so im never in "10" vs an open set/side.

For the matter of simplicity continue to play cover 1/0 vs spread out of special (5-2) or 26 (4-3/4-4)

Im tired of answering "what ifs" heres a presentation that will help.

Im being short bc its really not that hard.

More wide receivers less "10" more tight ends more "10"

This isnt one size fits all

The slide show was my first direct coach source on 10-1

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Re: is the "10" for you
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2014, 02:08:03 PM »
ok then what about this...
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this was initially just a joke because you said you were sick of the what ifs, but now Im curious

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Re: is the "10" for you
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2014, 02:12:26 PM »

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Doesnt matter rns...flexbone...dumbass dad. Who likes how it looks
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Re: is the "10" for you
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2014, 02:15:56 PM »
oddly enough if you were to move your outside LBs behind the DES this is how a couple of teams played this formation, basically a 44 stack but a little split and standing DEs

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Re: is the "10" for you
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2014, 02:18:21 PM »
oddly enough if you were to move your outside LBs behind the DES this is how a couple of teams played this formation, basically a 44 stack but a little split and standing DEs


Army does this to navy every year essentially its a split 4  the safeties arent stacked persae

America's Game: Army vs Navy 2013:
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