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Wide Splits
« on: June 27, 2014, 04:13:17 PM »
How do wide splits from the O-line effect things on D? Does it require adjustments or does it make things easier for the D since it'll be easier for DTs to get up field?

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Re: Wide Splits
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2014, 04:14:35 PM »
How do wide splits from the O-line effect things on D? Does it require adjustments or does it make things easier for the D since it'll be easier for DTs to get up field?

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Re: Wide Splits
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2014, 06:35:59 PM »
I should have been more specific. How does it effect the 10-1? If I remember correctly, worrying about being trapped isn't a big concern for this D due to the shallow depth of the backers. I could be wrong though.

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Re: Wide Splits
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2014, 06:52:51 PM »
I should have been more specific. How does it effect the 10-1? If I remember correctly, worrying about being trapped isn't a big concern for this D due to the shallow depth of the backers. I could be wrong though.
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A few of us were contemplating this in the DC46 Section recently.....how wide splits might effect the DC46.

Michael made a good observation....with MEGA splits....say over 4 feet....it pretty much takes away whatever nuance a particular D has going for it.

The DC46 DE's would become rather useless....the tiled DT's could no longer occupy...posting up TE's may or may not have any effect. This kinda made us all conclude that any D would have issues IF the O was well coached.  Everything taught defensively may or may not still apply but it certainly will change things up for the most part....some positions drastically. 

How it would effect the 10-1 might have everything to do with the MIKE.
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Re: Wide Splits
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2014, 07:09:18 PM »
Heres the deal... you are isolating oline vs box defenders, it comes down to who has better technique and ability, distance is time so the split in a wide sence allows more time till the defender can get To the ball. Lastly...huge point wider the splits more you want to consider shotgun or pistol
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Re: Wide Splits
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2014, 07:10:53 PM »
The wider the split in the 10 the more the gap defender needs to be aware of alignment...split the gap by alignment and make sure youre upfield no shin splitting
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Re: Wide Splits
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2014, 12:14:33 AM »
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A few of us were contemplating this in the DC46 Section recently.....how wide splits might effect the DC46.

Michael made a good observation....with MEGA splits....say over 4 feet....it pretty much takes away whatever nuance a particular D has going for it.

The DC46 DE's would become rather useless....the tiled DT's could no longer occupy...posting up TE's may or may not have any effect. This kinda made us all conclude that any D would have issues IF the O was well coached.  Everything taught defensively may or may not still apply but it certainly will change things up for the most part....some positions drastically. 

How it would effect the 10-1 might have everything to do with the MIKE.

That's what made me post it over here. I get how it would mess up the DT technique in the DC46. I was wondering how it would effect the 10-1 since I'm running the 10-1 special this season. At the youth level (assuming a team that doesn't pass effectively) I have a hard time seeing the benefit of wide splits. It seems like it would make things easier for the D-line. But I'm sure I'm missing something. Or is the ability to pass the key? I don't see a lot of effective passing in our league or traps for that matter. So I'm happy if a team wants wider splits.

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Re: Wide Splits
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2014, 12:15:55 AM »
The wider the split in the 10 the more the gap defender needs to be aware of alignment...split the gap by alignment and make sure youre upfield no shin splitting

That's what I thought. So do wide splits make it harder? Assuming the guy is a decent athlete, don't wide splits make his job easier since penetration is his number one goal?
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Re: Wide Splits
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2014, 12:30:48 AM »
That's what I thought. So do wide splits make it harder? Assuming the guy is a decent athlete, don't wide splits make his job easier since penetration is his number one goal?

Wide splits make wide lanes..I think it makes it harder for second and third level players
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Re: Wide Splits
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2014, 11:43:36 AM »
I think you're overlooking the reason for wide splits; its not just to spread the defense. A team with wide splits is DARING you to penetrate gaps. They'll ride your defenders upfield so far that they'll be standing under the wrong goalposts after every play. And if your defenders are that far away from the POA, just picture the running lanes for the TB.

I've been contemplating this for a while; I run the DC46. You're best bet, IMHO, is to earn a stalemate at the LOS and have very good athletes at LB/S flying to the ball. And pray you can keep them to <3yds per carry...

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Re: Wide Splits
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2014, 12:14:21 PM »
I think you're overlooking the reason for wide splits; its not just to spread the defense. A team with wide splits is DARING you to penetrate gaps. They'll ride your defenders upfield so far that they'll be standing under the wrong goalposts after every play. And if your defenders are that far away from the POA, just picture the running lanes for the TB.

We scored on a QB run of 40 yards or so a couple of years ago in which the RG and his man were maybe 10 yards or so in the backfield, but way outside.   The defender tried to get around the outside and the RG just helped him along with extreme prejudice.  The RT's man tried to go outside and got kicked, the center's man went the other way and got washed, and the hole was massive.   The ball went B gap, for those of you who care about such things, but it sure didn't look like any B gap I've ever seen drawn up.  Yeah, they were begging for trouble with the NG going to his right and the DT going to his left, but it didn't matter much what the NG did.   There was no way in hell he was covering that much space.  And that was back in the days of maybe 3-foot splits.   All three of those O-Lineman did a really good job, but the RG got major props.
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Re: Wide Splits
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2014, 01:59:38 PM »
I think you're overlooking the reason for wide splits; its not just to spread the defense. A team with wide splits is DARING you to penetrate gaps. They'll ride your defenders upfield so far that they'll be standing under the wrong goalposts after every play. And if your defenders are that far away from the POA, just picture the running lanes for the TB.

I've been contemplating this for a while; I run the DC46. You're best bet, IMHO, is to earn a stalemate at the LOS and have very good athletes at LB/S flying to the ball. And pray you can keep them to <3yds per carry...

Anything is possible... however if it is a problem we just run loop or go into 26
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Re: Wide Splits
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2014, 03:48:42 PM »
Anything is possible... however if it is a problem we just run loop or go into 26

I'm not familiar with the 10-1, so I couldn't claim to have the answer. I took part in the discussion on the DC46 thread, and I agree with mahonz's conclusion; wide splits (3+feet) seem to take away that special nuance that makes a certain defense unique. When that happens, it comes down to how creative you can get in matching up your studs vs the TB and QB. You end up with alot of 'sacrificial lambs' on defense and get to see just how good your studs truly are.

Personally, I don't have a single player who would be considered the best in the league at his position, and that's why going against wide line splits has been bugging me. We get winning seasons when we have a scheme that the kids understand and enjoy executing.