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Offline Dimson

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Cover 3 with Blitzing
« on: December 13, 2018, 01:01:22 PM »
How do you teach cover 3 if you are blitzing a linebacker or multiple linebackers. Do you have your non blitzing LBs take a read step and then drop into coverage or just go straight into coverage? If you blitz, do you rotate coverage? What is the max you will blitz in Cover 3? Who will you not blitz in cover 3? Sorry for all the noob questions.

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Re: Cover 3 with Blitzing
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2018, 01:13:58 PM »
How do you teach cover 3 if you are blitzing a linebacker or multiple linebackers. Do you have your non blitzing LBs take a read step and then drop into coverage or just go straight into coverage? If you blitz, do you rotate coverage? What is the max you will blitz in Cover 3? Who will you not blitz in cover 3? Sorry for all the noob questions.

Fire zone is simplest imo

3 over , 3 under

The 3 under has hash to sideline, and hash to hash.  You can pattern read, just a lot for youth

Soooo: sam blitz--3 deep stays, mike takes sams zone, bud takes mike, will stays 8n his zone

Left corner fires: sam takes deep third, backers split the under 3...

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Re: Cover 3 with Blitzing
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2018, 01:46:42 PM »
First one needs to understand that Cover 1,2, 3, or 4 refers to the Number of defenders responsible for Deep Coverage.   Ergo Cover 1 insinuates you are Man Coverage by default.  The Higher the Number in Deep Coverage, the less you have available to cover underneath. 

Zach outlines what happens with the "Underneath Coverage" in Zone Concepts when you blitz.  One can also involve the DL (Usually DE's) in coverage to takover for a Blitzing LB.  Hence the term Zone Blitz.   In a Tampa 2 Style Defense (Cover 2) The Mike will actually Drop to the Deep Middle 3rd, allowing Cover 3 with Quarters Under (in a 4-3 Defense). 

The thing you have to remember when using Zone Coverage is that it IS NOT a Lock Down format.  The premise of Zone coverage is 2 fold. 

1) Keeps the Ball in front of the defense.
         (Top Down Approach)

2) Zone gets better as the real estate shrinks.
        (Less Field means smaller windows, smaller windows mean tighter coverage and more margin for error)

2 guys that I think were Masters at Blitz Strategy were Dick LeBeau (3-4) and Jim Johnson (4-3) both disguised who and from where the Blitz came from very well. 

I would also say Blitz TO effect nor FOR effect.  Your kids have got to know what their target is or what the intent is.  The Blitz can be highly effective against the Run Game especially if your opponent uses the same tendencies over and over.   

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Re: Cover 3 with Blitzing
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2018, 01:52:15 PM »
Zach, do you have the LBs read step or just go straight into zone on the snap?

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Re: Cover 3 with Blitzing
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2018, 02:52:55 PM »
Zach, do you have the LBs read step or just go straight into zone on the snap?

I think Zach would agree when I say that depends.  Are you asking about Passing Situations or Run Situation.   If I am expecting and playing Pass, we go right into our Zone.  :)
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Re: Cover 3 with Blitzing
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2018, 03:53:05 PM »
I think Zach would agree when I say that depends.  Are you asking about Passing Situations or Run Situation.   If I am expecting and playing Pass, we go right into our Zone.  :)
Do you have a call to differentiate the two? Or just based on reads?

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Re: Cover 3 with Blitzing
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2018, 04:28:07 PM »
Do you have a call to differentiate the two? Or just based on reads?

Dim.  You can make it as complex as you like.  However, be very mindful we are talking about Youth Ball here.  In my area that means 80% of the time we are in Run Mode.  In other words Read and Fill. 

Several factors can change that but the 2 Main determining factor are Tendencies and Down and Distance.  The nice thing about Zone Coverage at our level is, even if I have them drop every play, the ball is still in front of me to be able to play the run.   However, my personal preference is to bring pressure, mostly without blitzing, to the backfield and Force them to pass.  Why?  Unless the passing game is something they practice often, they are usually pretty inept at it. 

I guess what I am saying is I make the call based on the aforementioned Factors.  I do teach them to adjust to formations they see.  You cannot ignore that.  :)   
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Re: Cover 3 with Blitzing
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2018, 05:17:17 PM »
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First there are several different ways to run C3. What front are talking about? What shell?

Conventional wisdom for C3 is a 5 man rush. Assuming you are using a 3 shell this usually is the answer to your question. The other LB's read their keys, & in my world LB's always play run first.

Now, there was times at MH we we would rush 6 & still play C3. It wasn't often, but we did do it. It's like anything else there is a gamble to it.

The first questions need to be answered before you can talk rotation, & changing fits.

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Re: Cover 3 with Blitzing
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2018, 11:22:02 AM »
Zach, do you have the LBs read step or just go straight into zone on the snap?

Yes, our lbs have a 3 reads process..."run, draw/option, pass" ...

If we drop a dlineman (super rare) ive only used fire zone in youth then theres no read for that dlineman.

Generically speaking in youth youre defending more hash to sideline then between the hashes in the intermediate to short. So i beleive our fire zone was technically cover 7.

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Re: Cover 3 with Blitzing
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2018, 03:49:17 PM »
How do you teach cover 3 if you are blitzing a linebacker or multiple linebackers. Do you have your non blitzing LBs take a read step and then drop into coverage or just go straight into coverage? If you blitz, do you rotate coverage? What is the max you will blitz in Cover 3? Who will you not blitz in cover 3? Sorry for all the noob questions.

They still need to take read steps because it may be a run and likely will be in youth ball.  In an obvious passing situation you could make a call to tell them to bail, I suppose.

The ubiquitous Cov. 3 blitz package is the 5 man fire zone with 3 deep/3 under behind it.  Someone needs each of the 3 deep zones, then you need someone in each SCIF area (hash to sideline, as was said) and someone over the middle to play screens/draws and wall off crossers.  If you teach your zone coverage as pure spot drops, with the field divided into 3rds (sideline third drops to the top of the numbers, MOF is the Middle of the Field), that part is pretty simple.

How you get that combination doesn't matter and it leaves you a lot of room to play with who blitzes and who drops.  If you start from a 2 high structure, like the classic 3-4 teams who popularized the zone blitz in the early 90s, you can rotate a CB or S into an underneath zone while the other 3 secondary defenders play the deep zones.  That allows you to be a little more creative.  They can even blitz a DB with the 3 other DBs taking the deep zones and LBs (maybe even DL) taking the 3 underneath spots.  I recall that Dom Capers coached a Pittsburgh Steelers defense in the early 90s where every the only starter without a sack was the FS, and not for lack of trying.

If you're in a 3-3 or 4-4 defense and truly only have a 3 man secondary, your CBs and FS really can't be part of the blitz.

The 3-4 Fire Zone teams who live and die by this concept like to usually send 5.  Sometimes they'll drop a DL so you get 3 LBs/DBs rushing.  They may also have all the other LBs show a blitz look and back out of it to confuse the OL.  Dropping the DL into coverage is not as fancy as the commentators make it out to be--usually it's just the boundary DE spot dropping to the top of the numbers if he gets a high-hat read from the DL.  If they drop the NG, he's usually going to become the hole player over the middle if he gets a pass read.  They don't really expect much from those DL in coverage besides putting a body there so the QB will see someone and not automatically sling the ball out there.

I keep discussing the 3-4 Fire Zone, because that defense is known for this, but you can apply this concept to any defense that allows you to play Cov. 3.  4-3, 4-4, 3-3, even 5-3 or 6-2.  If you can get 3 deep defenders, you can do this.

If they're doing it on a running down, they also make sure they are still gap sound and play fundamentally sound.  The players need to be coached to blitz under control and read their keys on the run.  They still need to maintain proper leverage in pursuit and in force/contain/cutback/BCR.  If it's 3rd and 25, you can get a little looser with it, but those situations are so rare that I'm not sure what the value is of having special unsound blitzes just for them.

Some coaches at the HS and college level may also run a 6 man Zone Blitz with 3 deep and a pair of underneath defenders basically just dropping to the hashes and "playing football" or voiding some of the underneath zones and gambling that the offense won't recognize it in time.  This is something you would only want to do when you're confident the blitz can get home.  There's a lot of room underneath, but they feel it's safer than playing Cov. 0 to bring 6.  If the offense gets a completion, the 5 guys in coverage are to rally to make the tackle after a sizeable gain.

A weakness of the 5 man Cov. 3 Fire Zone is that it can be hard to get home if the offense keeps 7 or 8 in to block it and work a 2 or 3 man route combo against Cov. 3.  If the offense picks up the pressure and floods one 1/3 of the field or another, now you're caught playing 2 on 3 or 1 on 2.

Now... in youth ball, I don't know why you'd really want to get that fancy with it.  You could simply play Cov. 3 and send a LB or two with the 3 deep/3 under so you're a little better protected from the big play.  If you are a base 5-3 defense with your 5 DL rushing each time, you're kind of in a Fire Zone by default.
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