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Re: Learning the Coxbox offense
« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2018, 05:05:28 PM »
What R4 does is provide your QB with a clear process to make those decisions pre and post snap. Eliminates the need to yell (pre-snap) "Hey Jimmy, throw it to Steve on a Slant!" More importantly, eliminates the need to yell (post-snap) "SHIT! OLB dropped! Do NOT throw to Jimmy on the Slant!"

Also, while the R4 system provides for three passing options (Rhythm, Read & Rush) prior to Release, you don't HAVE to use them all on every concept (and in youth, you shouldn't).

So 32 - on All Hitch, you could simply teach your QB to use a 1) Rhythm (presnap) to 2) Release (post-snap) progression. In other words, your QB presnap determines which receiver has the best matchup / leverage (ie Jimmy is my best receiver + his guy is playing 8 yards off = Jimmy is the Rhythm). QB takes his 3 step drop (1 from Gun), hinges & throws to Jimmy. Jimmy ain't open post-snap for whatever reason (CB rolls up, LB drops, etc.), QB releases (runs)!

A lot of people seem to make it way more complicated than it needs to be. It really can be very simple.

Also, once your QB understands WHY you want him to throw the Slant to Jimmy when the Corner is 8 off with outside leverage, he'll be more confident in your system. He'll make the throw w more confidence and you won't need to micromanage the process - both of which pay dividends against better opponents as the season goes on.

I've watched Maddox give clinics and go over examples where he called plays expecting someone to be open but R4 dictated the QB throw to someone else and the result was a 70 yard TD instead of perhaps a 6 yard completion. Seen it play out in our system as well.

No different than managing employees. Micromanaging the hell out of quality employees only stunts their growth / confidence and creates dissatisfaction. Doesn't mean you let them make ALL the decisions but empower your QB in this way and he will reward you.

I like that but...  I pick my "QB" based on how well he can lead block, run the ball inside and perform the reach/take handoff.  Throwing the football is about the 4th priority.  Also, my coaching staff consists of one paid assistant and my son (college student volunteer).

Considering that, would R4 be a wise investment?

How much does the R4 system cost?

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Re: Learning the Coxbox offense
« Reply #46 on: April 16, 2018, 05:30:03 PM »
I like that but...  I pick my "QB" based on how well he can lead block, run the ball inside and perform the reach/take handoff.  Throwing the football is about the 4th priority.  Also, my coaching staff consists of one paid assistant and my son (college student volunteer).

Considering that, would R4 be a wise investment?

How much does the R4 system cost?

Dave Cisar applies R4 concepts within his Single Wing with a lot of success. So yes I do think you can apply it to yours.

Don't recall how much it costs, was a Christmas present a few years back, but I'm sure you can find that out online.

However you do it, my point is I strongly prefer showing QBs WHY we want them to make certain decisions in different situations as I feel it helps their progression more than "do XYZ bc I said so."

If you have one hard fast rule (eg take the slant every time) or just tell the kid what to do pre-snap (throw the slant to jimmy), there will come a point where that rule breaks down or you guess wrong and you will look silly. And typically it happens in close games against better teams who make adjustments as opposed to crappy teams you're blowing out anyhow. In other words, most likely to break down when you need it most.

Trust works both ways. Trust your QB to make certain decisions, he will trust you and your system. Doesn't need to be R4 but something besides "throw the Slant to Jimmy no matter what bc I said so."
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Re: Learning the Coxbox offense
« Reply #47 on: April 16, 2018, 05:41:18 PM »
So yes I do think you can apply it to yours.

Thank you for taking the time to explain that.  Your effort was not in vain.  I am going to look into the R4 and going to work with my QB more.  Thanks.

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Re: Learning the Coxbox offense
« Reply #48 on: April 16, 2018, 05:44:27 PM »
Good deal. Joe (MHCoach) is the real QB Guru and has been coaching longer than I've been alive (sorry Joe!  :P) but I am happy to help!
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Re: Learning the Coxbox offense
« Reply #49 on: April 16, 2018, 06:20:36 PM »
Good deal. Joe (MHCoach) is the real QB Guru and has been coaching longer than I've been alive (sorry Joe!  :P) but I am happy to help!

I ordered the DVDS.  I will be a QB Expert in 4-5 business days.  It was $76 shipping included.

Sorry to everyone for derailing the Coxbox materials thread.  I got my Coxbox materials from Terry Cox for a small fee.  I think that's where everyone else should get them.  Just my two cents.

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Re: Learning the Coxbox offense
« Reply #50 on: April 16, 2018, 06:35:50 PM »
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It's well worth it!

See the Post on the Quick game I posted in my section.

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Re: Learning the Coxbox offense
« Reply #51 on: June 04, 2018, 11:36:53 AM »
I will be a QB Expert in 4-5 business days.

I need a QB Expert.  Since Joe won't leave Florida, how 'bout moving to NC? 

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Re: Learning the Coxbox offense
« Reply #52 on: June 04, 2018, 01:27:52 PM »
I need a QB Expert.  Since Joe won't leave Florida, how 'bout moving to NC? 

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Dave,

I watched the videos but I don't think the magic worked on me.  A pretty dang good o-line coach, yes, but I am still not a "QB Expert". 

No one plays 2 high safeties against us very long and the 1 high safeties creep down in the box.  The receivers are so open, on the rare occasion when we chuck a pass, any ugly duck pass wobbling over the top is likely a TD.

I am still more worried about finding a QB who is durable enough to lead block and run between the tackles.

I am 2 hours away from you and off on Fridays.  I was hoping you were going to be coaching on Friday nights and I could come see a couple games.


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Re: Learning the Coxbox offense
« Reply #53 on: June 04, 2018, 01:43:06 PM »
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It's well worth it!

See the Post on the Quick game I posted in my section.

Joe

That Post on the Quick game was one valuable nugget of info.  If you saw the updated quick passing section in my playbook, if would be very familiar to you.  Thanks.

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Re: Learning the Coxbox offense
« Reply #54 on: June 05, 2018, 06:52:48 PM »
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Anytime, the passing game is really simpler than people think. It's really a matter of practicing it correctly.

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