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WSU's offense
« on: November 21, 2018, 04:22:08 AM »
Some of you may have noticed WSU's record with QB Gardner Minshew.  He hit eleven different receivers in his last game against Arizona.  WSU's QB uses the same read as my "Run and Shoot".  Although some will claim he's checking off receivers ("Air Raid") if you watch him you'll he's checking off "open area".  If no receiver shows in the "open area" he'll throw to the safety valve (running back) on the swing route (The running backs are actually the leading receivers in WSU's offense.). 

The QB "sees" the open area before the snap.  If it's in the short, underneath zones he'll hit the receiver instantly on a slant.  If it's in the deep zones he'll wait three seconds to allow the receivers to get deeper.  If no receiver runs to the open area after 3 seconds he'll throw to the safety valve.  The difference between my offense and WSU's is the QB becomes the running back with those wide splits if the run opens up. 

WSU's coach does not even signal in plays (The play is based on the defensive alignment.).  He signals in the formation.

This doesn't mean that anybody can run this offense.  Although anyone can on paper because its really simple, you need receivers that won't drop the ball.  We most of us run the ball because we can't complete a pass.  But sometimes you get a team (usually of small players) who can catch but not run.  This offense works for them.

The "Run and Shoot" was responsible for the disappearance of the wishbone offense and the 5-2 defense.  The R&S could keep up, scoring wise, with wishbone but score in 2-3 minutes when wishbone took 6-8 minutes to score.  Thus, in the 4th quarter, wishbone was at a huge disadvantage to R&S if the score was tied. 

The 5-2 defense, believe it or not, was designed to defend pulling guards.  Yet the guards don't pull in R&S and now the 5-2 had five rushers, none of whom could reach the QB in 3 seconds.  So now 6 DB's had to defend 5 receivers.  When all defenses played the 6th DB in the middle of the field (free safety) the QB had a field day when all his receivers were now covered "one on one". 

If you're having a losing season, you can install this offense in three practices.  Why not?  You're losing anyway. 

Watch what happens. 
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Re: WSU's offense
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2018, 07:45:51 AM »
Mike leach is a great mind, neat write up
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Re: WSU's offense
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2018, 10:48:40 AM »
I installed this offense but never got to use it. The HC was going to let me run it our last game but we ended up not doing it because the OC for our last game ended up sticking to our base offense. I would have loved to see what we could do because we were definitely a team who could catch the ball but not run. We also had nothing to lose as we were winless up to that point.

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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2018, 12:32:37 PM »
I installed this offense but never got to use it. The HC was going to let me run it our last game but we ended up not doing it because the OC for our last game ended up sticking to our base offense. I would have loved to see what we could do because we were definitely a team who could catch the ball but not run. We also had nothing to lose as we were winless up to that point.

Did this with pole cat... we scored  7 touchdowns in our last game as we look at each other like why didnt we do this before lol
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2018, 03:51:31 PM »
Did this with pole cat... we scored  7 touchdowns in our last game as we look at each other like why didnt we do this before lol
We were severely outmanned all year. We barely had enough kids to play each week and we were severely undersized and lacking in the athletic department. Oh and our best athlete by far got kicked off the team for being a jack ass. When he was gone, we just didn't have any one player we could count on to break the big one. So we had to do something outside of the box just to have a chance. We were a Spread team but we just never got it working as we could not run the ball at all. So I convinced the HC/OC to give the R&S a try. Install went ok. The kids got the general idea but we never got to try it out in game. We had a QB who would have been perfect for it too. We ended up losing the last game 6-0.

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Re: WSU's offense
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2018, 05:55:27 PM »

This doesn't mean that anybody can run this offense.  Although anyone can on paper because its really simple, you need receivers that won't drop the ball.  We most of us run the ball because we can't complete a pass.  But sometimes you get a team (usually of small players) who can catch but not run.  This offense works for them.

Air Raid teams don't naturally have receivers with great hands--at least, not more than other teams at their levels.  Everything they do in practice is built around throwing the football.  Every single day, their QBs and receivers are working on drill after drill to get the receivers reps just playing pitch and catch until they get that down cold:

Settle'n'Noose (part of their warmup for skill players)
Pat'n'Go (again, part of their warmup for skill players)
Routes on Air (they line up dummies/trash cans in a coverage and have receivers work on the soft spots--5 QBs drop back and throw each receiver a ball)
7 on 7

Every single day, about half their offensive practice time is devoted to those drills.  It serves as both their "warmup" and their "conditioning" for their skill players.  By doing these drills, their starters and backups all get hundreds of reps throwing and catching the football every single day until it just gets to be second nature.

Here's film of Mike Leach himself explaining them all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB0NMeSW7mU
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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2018, 06:21:27 PM »
B & T is correct, I run those drills everyday.  I coached a freshman team this past season and we were 100% Air Raid.  The drills work, as does the offense.   My X receiver caught 81 passes and my Z caught 91.  Our rb's were at negative rushing yards midway through the year, I think we ended up with about 50 yards rushing on the season, OL got pummeled every time they took the field.

However, Leach's offense is not run n shoot.  He does call the plays sometimes but sometimes just gives the qb a formation but the qb will signal a play.  The plays are called based on leverage and open grass.  There isn't a whole lot to it.  Leach runs about 12 pass concepts and two run concepts.  Two personnel groupings.  The offense is more about the drills and getting reps in practice.

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Re: WSU's offense
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2018, 06:53:27 PM »
B & T is correct, I run those drills everyday.  I coached a freshman team this past season and we were 100% Air Raid.  The drills work, as does the offense.   My X receiver caught 81 passes and my Z caught 91.  Our rb's were at negative rushing yards midway through the year, I think we ended up with about 50 yards rushing on the season, OL got pummeled every time they took the field.

However, Leach's offense is not run n shoot.  He does call the plays sometimes but sometimes just gives the qb a formation but the qb will signal a play.  The plays are called based on leverage and open grass.  There isn't a whole lot to it.  Leach runs about 12 pass concepts and two run concepts.  Two personnel groupings.  The offense is more about the drills and getting reps in practice.

Exactly.

What Leach does is old school Air Raid.  You can find the plays online pretty easily.  He does have some simple route adjustments in there that teach them to adjust a deep route if it's capped by a deep defender or settle down against zone, and the QBs are taught to "throw the receivers open" looking for receivers breaking near the openings in the coverage and then put the ball more towards that grass for them to adjust to in the air... but that's not the same thing as not having plays.

While the whole thing is 12 plays and 2 runs, he likes to let the QB direct traffic and call plays at the LOS because he feels he can see the field better than Leach can.  Depending on the QB's comfort level, he may not run the entire offense, but may just have 1 screen, 1 run, and only a few drop back plays that he's comfortable with.  Sometimes Leach's QBs have worked with as few as 5 plays when they do this.  Often it's more like 8-9.

Other times, if the QB's green, Leach may call passes for him on every play and make him check any runs at the line when he sees a favorable box (like 5 or less).  Then Leach makes him explain why he checked to a run there.  I think he may do the same thing with screens, too.
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Re: WSU's offense
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2018, 04:43:51 PM »
Yes, Leach is old school Air Raid.  I do not see any new plays since he was coaching with Mumme at Kentucky in 1998.  Just tweaks.  Even week to week, if you watch the coach's film, everything you see on film is a basic Air Raid play.  There's nothing new.  Every play is identifiable.

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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2018, 11:24:31 AM »
Yes, Leach is old school Air Raid.  I do not see any new plays since he was coaching with Mumme at Kentucky in 1998.  Just tweaks.  Even week to week, if you watch the coach's film, everything you see on film is a basic Air Raid play.  There's nothing new.  Every play is identifiable.

I talked with an Air Raid coach once who went to one of the Air Raid colleges (I forget which) to meet with their staff a few years ago.  They were talking about some stuff they did differently from other schools when one of the assistant coaches said "What's awesome about Mike Leach is that he's never changed sh*t."

What Leach does now is what he was doing when he took over Texas Tech in the early 2000s.  Watching WSU games is like peeking into an Air Raid time capsule.  While guys like Tony Franklin more or less dumped Mesh because he never knew how to coach it (he's even said as much--it's in his book, but seldom used), Leach still uses it as one of their top plays.  Some years he'll run some plays more than others because his QB is more comfortable or better at certain things, but his system is still exactly as it was 15 years ago and he makes it work.

Leach even good-naturedly grumbles about how former pupils like Holgerson have lost their way because they've beefed up their running game quite a bit to include Power, Counter, Jet Sweep, and some PAP.  Sometimes they even run more than they throw.  Blasphemy!
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Re: WSU's offense
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2018, 02:34:18 PM »
Leach sounds like some of the DW coaches on here, but in reverse.

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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2018, 03:14:04 PM »
Leach sounds like some of the DW coaches on here, but in reverse.

He's often compared what he does to the wishbone.  He says his offense just pitches it forward, but it's the same basic idea.

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Re: WSU's offense
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2018, 09:57:33 AM »
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