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Offline jgg1970

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More help requested
« on: October 14, 2018, 12:27:13 AM »
I gave the reigns back to the DC and things went pretty badly. I have my hands full w running the offense(wish I had given him offense).

I developed a short ppt with their three main formations and main olays. #32 is superstar for team X. Any and all help is appreciated!

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Re: More help requested
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2018, 01:42:41 AM »
The witch of it is, they use #32 as a decoy to get other players succesaful touches as they know everyone puts a spy on him. And they are talented.

Anyone interested in actual film more than happy to share.

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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2018, 10:38:34 AM »
We abandoned the 5 man front and when we saw these looks. Another linebacker was more valuable than a nose tackle. That's why I said we ran a 44 with 46 principles. Played press cover man and bumped the jet motion so that my inside lb was now bumping the jet motion and waiting for the runner unblocked. With the bump, I still had two linebackers to play dive. I'd have FS shade to the motion side. So I had them in position, it was just a matter of whether they made the tackle.

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Re: More help requested
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2018, 12:12:40 PM »
We abandoned the 5 man front and when we saw these looks. Another linebacker was more valuable than a nose tackle. That's why I said we ran a 44 with 46 principles. Played press cover man and bumped the jet motion so that my inside lb was now bumping the jet motion and waiting for the runner unblocked. With the bump, I still had two linebackers to play dive. I'd have FS shade to the motion side. So I had them in position, it was just a matter of whether they made the tackle.

Understand

Did you have general team speed? My Nick is one of my bright spots in that he can at times be disruptive (he gets worn out as my best OG). Hes not all that fast

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Re: More help requested
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2018, 03:37:50 PM »
Just play football. Nothing unusual.

Really coach up your LDT to jump and follow that pull. Cant imagine any backside pull helping out a rocket sweep.

Roll your coverage on the motions.

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Re: More help requested
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2018, 03:44:34 PM »
Just play football. Nothing unusual.

Really coach up your LDT to jump and follow that pull. Cant imagine any backside pull helping out a rocket sweep.

Roll your coverage on the motions.

They put that RG at RB at rimes using 32 to chase away the spy. The Guard is that good.

It is a slow developing Jet sweep, the teams that do best againast make him gain even MORE depthe(he is already going back to the QB but 32 he is so elusive in the first three games of the season I scouted he averaged 4 scores a game). He is one of those that makes most youth players look like they are moving in slo-mo.

Will definitely jump and follow that pull, if 53 is on the line. They got so arrogant they had him at one of the RB/FB 8 days ago.

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Re: More help requested
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2018, 07:43:12 PM »
We abandoned the 5 man front and when we saw these looks. Another linebacker was more valuable than a nose tackle. That's why I said we ran a 44 with 46 principles. Played press cover man and bumped the jet motion so that my inside lb was now bumping the jet motion and waiting for the runner unblocked. With the bump, I still had two linebackers to play dive. I'd have FS shade to the motion side. So I had them in position, it was just a matter of whether they made the tackle.

where and did you play the tackles in your 4-4  and the extra LB?

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Re: More help requested
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2018, 03:24:15 AM »
Just play football. Nothing unusual.

Really coach up your LDT to jump and follow that pull. Cant imagine any backside pull helping out a rocket sweep.

Roll your coverage on the motions.

Happy to PM you the video

i twins if SAM's slot motions would you have Fred pick him up and blitz SAM? Fred has speedbut is aveage.  I plan on having hom trade off with WILL so he's always with 32.

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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2018, 04:17:12 AM »
Should anyone have trouble opening the PP(I had formatting issues when I opened my own,,,,,forgive me I should be studied more on 46, I ran the KB last year and it was terrific as the DC last year and didn't dive as deep as I took on HC position and began running the DCWT. DC liked the 46 for simplicity of scheme.

In truth, though we play our best players, we are a little weak in spots for the 46 but they are passable. When we get too far behind boys from cheap or quick TD just get the damned quit in them, my remaining oppenents are tough and I can't have it. My DC barely knew what stone was a month ago. He knows most his blitzes but has drifted away from the 46.

Very limited practice time remaining like the rest of you but I'll spend any amount of hours to end a bad season on an upswing. Youngest and only FB player is 6th grade so this is dad's last year, and it hasn't gone as planned.

Any ideas, suggestions before Wed defense practice appreciated. Might get an hour or scrimmage Thursday.


A. T base formation

...........TETGCGT........SE...
..F...................................
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................TQT.................

1. Green RG pulls as fast as a FB/RB, Red is hard to stop, 34 always a threat, QB can throw and run pretty decently
2. Same QB pulls ball from red T and runs B gap. My Mike wil eat him up from B to B.
3. They send Red T out on a fake or imaginary screen of they don't give him the ball as everyone uses a spy on red T him to open up a fake handoff and sweep by QB or an assorted numberof decent and average RB offtackle left
4. Seam pass to 34, huge target

B. Twins


..X......TGCGT.....Z..
......H............Y.......
............................
............TQ............

1. if twins are in tight, it's a run. Either a jet sweep to Red Y(T obviously, their threat) or fake jet sweep and QB RPO but almist always a run. Green guard pulls regardless if there is a jet sweep or not, ubless if he is the TB to the left(later in the season)
2. Like in the former formation, Red slot Y run usually a diversionary screen route to his side so Q or T can run the ball, truth is, once he gets it he is usually gone
3. They will send Red and the other slot on flat swing pass routes at the same....time while WR run varied routes, ususally slants. What do I tell my DE to do here? Leave the flat uncovered? or just go hit the threatening guy in red and let the LB assigned to the other worry about that guy?
4. Crossing routes, slants by outside receivers corner routes and similar for others

QB can throw on run

C.
.............TETGCGT.......Z...
...X........................Y.......
.....................................
..................TQ...............


1. Jet sweep with green pulling to the same guy in red. he goes deep.

D. Empty BF with Red as inside receiver on jet sweep

Nick calls(the biggest bright spot has been the Nick), Stones, stunts, alternate formations or coverage from base that might help? Will definitely have LDT follow 53 if he is on the line, he is the only that pulls.

For full disclosure, Mike is strong on run and has picked off some passes in the middle, Will is experienced, starting corners are average, Sam is excellent, Nick is doing well, Fred is fast and experienced but has been hit or miss. Pretty string at DT. DE is our weakest and thinnest spot.


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Re: More help requested
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2018, 09:35:05 AM »
where and did you play the tackles in your 4-4  and the extra LB?

DT: I had 3 line calls: slant, flex on guard, hit the tackle; pinch, flex on tackle, hit guard. drive, line up in b gap and shoot.

LB's: i had one true linebacker, the rest were more db types. we were small but athletic.

In the 2x2 spread look, corners were press cover man, olb's were press on the slot a yard off the ball. i always had two linebackers inside, even when we bumped the motion. if you ended up between the tackles your responsibility was dive and counter. free safety was a chess piece that I moved around depending on tendencies.

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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2018, 02:13:41 PM »
I'd play the 46 like normal, except when they finish counting their guys, have your best LB swap with whoever is on #32.  When they count it's easy for the kids to recognize.  Hey Bill I'm on 32, swap with me.  Who's your man?

DE's must stay disciplined and not try to cheat inside. 

Really train your CBs when they feel they're being blocked to turn and look for the ball.

Make sure while your safety is taking his 3 steps back, he knows where that ball is before he takes off down hill.

Most important practice it and have one of your coaches be #7/QB to make sure the plays run smoother.  It helps the defense get more reps.
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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2018, 09:21:33 AM »
So taking the advice of running the 46 I stayed up last night and reread 80-90% of the manual. So much we didn't install. It was never my interntion to run two new offenses and defenses!  Long week,so forgive any naivity.

Tell me if I am on the right track for base(and perhaps a few stunts or adjustments)

A. T base formation

...........TETGCGT........SE...
..F...................................
......................................
................TQT.................

1. Green RG pulls as fast as a FB/RB, Red is hard to stop, 34 always a threat, QB can throw and run pretty decently
Red T is running OT left with RG and T pulling.
Train up my LG when 53 is on the line to pull out of his flex to cut him at the LOSOor flip if they flip the formation). If TE Blocks out on DE SAM might have a shot at him in the backfield, otherwise it is the DE taking on the lead blocker TB,  corner getting off his Block, Mike & WILL at 3 and 4 yards respectively over their man) and Fred and that is it
2. Same QB pulls ball from red T and runs B gap. My Mike wil eat him up from B to B.I think TNT, Mike, Will and Fred have this
3. They send Red T out on a fake or imaginary screen of they don't give him the ball as everyone uses a spy on red T him to open up a fake handoff and sweep by QB or an assorted numberof decent and average RB offtackle leftNo matter what, DE on Red T's side(#32) gets chased and hit by my DE. The Sam in this case if Red T is on the right, stays in position and doesn't get drawn away[/quote]
4. Seam pass to 34, huge target. SAM plays B&R and has Fred to help. Question, with the two TB back there, Nick doing his best at his job description Does Mike auto screen blitz around the tackle on the weak side and Will play Hook Zone? QB is pretty mobile but i know we need to get pressure. Finally, is a SAM/DE stone a good idea for this formation given whatthe run? My DE are average. They practied it with the clydes andit helped against a DT wishbone team that ran against a dominant TE on both sides

B. Twins


..X......TGCGT.....Z..
......H............Y.......
............................
............TQ............

1. if twins are in tight, it's a run. Either a jet sweep to Red Y(T obviously, their threat) or fake jet sweep and QB RPO but almist always a run. Green guard pulls regardless if there is a jet sweep or not, ubless if he is the TB to the left(later in the season)actually in later games the slot to the side the ball is being run to is  fairly wide. They actually manage to block the DE succesfully with a tackle on the last film I watched, Slot attacks Will and double teams with T lead blocking. Other than rushing playside(my right) DE as fast at the lead blocker, hitting him on his outside shoulder, hoping Corner and WILL shed their blocks, Mike and Fred doing their thing, anything special?
2. Like in the former formation, Red slot Y run usually a diversionary screen route to his side so Q or T can run the ball, truth is, once he gets it he is usually goneThe Slot's are almost 2 yards behind the LOS, sometimes within reach of the DE, sometimes not. Do I have SAM follow him over and DE rush?
3. They will send Red and the other slot(BOTH slots) on flat swing pass routes at the same....time while WR run varied routes, ususally slants. I hate seeing my better atheltes SAM and WILL get run off, do I send the DE on their nl pash rush? SOf course sometimes they do throw the swing pass.So again, DE chase these
4. Crossing routes, slants by outside receivers corner routes and similar for others???Screen Blitz by Mike against a mobile QB?

QB can throw on run

C.
.............TETGCGT.......Z...
...X........................Y.......
.....................................
..................TQ...............


1. Jet sweep with green pulling to the same guy in red. he goes deep to get the hand off. Elusive and hard to bring down.QB is not as deep as pictured(I'm sure they could send TE out but they don't seem to out of this formation)
Base, play the SAM on the LOS? and have him autoblitz through C gap if TE Blocks out

D. Empty BF with Red as inside receiver on jet sweep

Nick calls(the biggest bright spot has been the Nick), Stones, stunts, alternate formations or coverage from base that might help? Will definitely have LDT follow 53 if he is on the line, he is the only that pulls.

For full disclosure, Mike is strong on run and has picked off some passes in the middle, Will is experienced, starting corners are average, Sam is excellent, Nick is doing well, Fred is fast and experienced but has been hit or miss. Pretty string at DT. DE is our weakest and thinnest spot.


?Do I about have it right? If so any other by the book or off the book recs?
We have had SAM and WILL follow motion across all season.




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Re: More help requested
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2018, 09:59:48 AM »
Happy to PM you the video

i twins if SAM's slot motions would you have Fred pick him up and blitz SAM? Fred has speedbut is aveage.  I plan on having hom trade off with WILL so he's always with 32.

Sorry I missed this....send me some video.
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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2018, 10:52:03 AM »
Sorry I missed this....send me some video.

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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2018, 12:05:23 AM »
The advice from Mahonz and others helped! Played SAM off the line and played very aggressive base defense, with Arizona line stunts 1/4 plays, and held this team to their second lowest point total so I am pleased.

We still lost, as we cannot pass competently and everyone sells out to stop our sweeps, we own TOP with the FB and HB, but fumble snaps still cost us two drives AND TWO td. Getting fewer fumbled exchanges now that we have gone down to one QB and have more practice snaps with one QB.

But found someone on the team who can pass so he will get some plays Saturday. Dad insist he pass from shotgun but whatever.

Back to defense:

This weekend is a similar challenge except their star player is 8th grade caliber star playing in our 6th grade league. He plays safety from 6 yards. Man child type that is no way inside the weight limit, tall and fast, i'd estimate 5'6, 145 lb.

Their offensive game plan is get the ball to him, sweep, offtackle, HB pass, he does it all from every formations. His punts are 30-40 yards even but is just as apt to run a fake punt as actually punt. BUT his supporting cast is not as talented as last weeks. So we are going to spy him with Fred so he is doubled, and hope everyone else does their base assignment extremely well. Especially MIKE.