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38/47 Option Video
« on: July 31, 2017, 12:39:38 PM »
Anyone have video of DCWingT 38/47 Option?  I have watched video provided by DC, just looking for more. 

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Re: 38/47 Option Video
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2017, 12:44:25 PM »
If no video floating around, any other feedback from installation and running option?

Anyone plan on running it this year?

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Re: 38/47 Option Video
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2017, 02:15:58 PM »
If no video floating around, any other feedback from installation and running option?

Anyone plan on running it this year?

I don't think I've ever seen anyone post option film.  I doubt if I've sold ten of those DVD's in my life - BUT - There's no better formation to run Option out of than DC Wing T.   
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Re: 38/47 Option Video
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2017, 02:37:07 PM »
 ???  oh boy.  starting to feel like i am diving into a pool with no water.  ;)

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Re: 38/47 Option Video
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2017, 03:56:54 PM »
???  oh boy.  starting to feel like i am diving into a pool with no water.  ;)

I'll help.  I've run it.  First, what age group?
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Re: 38/47 Option Video
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2017, 04:16:48 PM »
I'll help.  I've run it.  First, what age group?

Pee Wees (mostly 11 year olds).

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Re: 38/47 Option Video
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2017, 06:01:30 PM »
OK.  Age 11 means QB can make a pitch/keep read.  Age 9 can make the pitch but not the read.  Either way you can still run option.  With 9's (or 11's) you run what's called "Call Option".  The play call tells the QB if he pitches or keeps:

"16 Option"  QB keeps
"38 Option" QB pitches
"15 Option" QB keeps
"47 Option" QB pitches.

It's easy for you to make the call.  Just run "24" or "33 Quick" to your side of the field so that you can see what the DE does.  If the DE goes inside after the runner, he's begging to be pitched off of and lose contain.  So run 38/47 Option and away your runner goes (Should be 8 yards and maybe more).  If the DE goes upfield and covered the pitchman (HB or WB) on the previous play, call the QB keep and QB runs inside him as DE covers pitch.  Whatever DE did on the 33/24 he'll do again on the next play as he'll see the same thing. 

If the DE goes inside and you pitch off him next play, he screwed up.  Watch him and see if coach calls him to the sideline and reams him a new one .  It means you can run inside him for quite awhile.  Eventually he'll give into temptation and go inside again.  Next play, pitch off him again.  He gets another reaming and wants to quit the team.  Meanwhile, you get two first downs off him.  You should be able to do the same thing to the other DE also two times. 

Total number of times pitch is run is four and number of first downs gained is four.  That should be a game changer right there.  Because there's usually only so many first downs made in a game.  If you get four more that usually means they got four less.  It should show on the scoreboard.

I described the simplest option there is.  It's called "Double" or "Speed" Option.  Hard to defend. 

What's it look like?  It's on my DC Wing T Powerpoint.  But it looks a lot like Navy on TV.  When you see Navy run it towards a TE, that's called "Belly Option" or "Outside Veer".  Technically "24" is "Belly Option" and the reason the HB runs pitch route on "24".  It's just that most DE's never come inside versus "24" so you have to wait for them to do so.  When you see Navy run it towards an SE, that's called "inside Veer" or "Triple Option".  The DVD shows you how to run "Triple Option".  However, the first phase of "Triple Option" is just "33 Quick Trap".  That happens so fast the DT's are still coming out of their stances.  That's called a "Give" read and 33 is run.  It happens almost 100% of the time.  So when you run "33 Quick Trap" you're really running "Triple Option" and is why the WB is running pitch.  It just never gets to the second and third options, the same as "24" doesn't.

You have to wait for the DE to come inside which is why you watch the DE every down and not the play (The hardest thing about coaching a game is not watching your own play.  You have to watch the DE.  Of course if you are watching the play and not the DE and you see the runner get taken down from outside in, that was probably the DE.  Burn his butt next down by pitching off him and watch him lose contain and get a reaming.).

Now!  How do you want your option to work?  What's your goal? How often do you want to run it?   Do you know what you'll face?  Because if it's a "six man box" you have the proverbial "turkey shoot".   We'll just custom design what you want from plays to practice to reads.   
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Re: 38/47 Option Video
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2017, 07:55:29 PM »
I don't think I've ever seen anyone post option film.  I doubt if I've sold ten of those DVD's in my life - BUT - There's no better formation to run Option out of than DC Wing T.

I purchased it about 6 years ago.. and it is a must if you are going to teach option.   Dumcoach really simplifies how to teach the kid to read, pitch and keep.


Well worth the money..  I use it to teach Belly(23) and Down(24) Option.  After watching it one time you will have it down.

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Re: 38/47 Option Video
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2017, 10:11:18 PM »
As in all DCWT plays, you need a counter.  What you're looking for, pre-snap, is the corner moving with the WB's motion.  When a corner moves with a WB he leaves way too much empty, undefended space ("green grass") behind him.  Put the WB in motion and run a play at where the corner was.  Defensive coaches don't think about leaving uncovered space behind them versus option.  They're trying to get somebody on that pitchman.  Best way to do that is have the corner follow the WB in motion.  Dum-dee-dum-dum!   ::) Here comes the SE on a "Power reverse", "Pass Right #1" (QB keeps if TE covered), "Jet, 38 Option" or whatever.  You will not believe the open space you hit.  1/3 of the field with no defenders in it! 
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Re: 38/47 Option Video
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2017, 12:37:52 PM »
Now!  How do you want your option to work?  What's your goal? How often do you want to run it?   Do you know what you'll face?  Because if it's a "six man box" you have the proverbial "turkey shoot".   We'll just custom design what you want from plays to practice to reads.   
My goal is to install/run 38/47 as I have learned with your materials.  It seems not many run option, so I was a bit concerned there was reason I was missing.  Generally, I am feeling pretty good about it since I started preparing months ago.  Coming from DCUBSW, its hard to say what defenses we might see cause we saw such weird fronts with that.  I am pretty sure we will see 6/5 man boxes and not sure about coverages.

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Re: 38/47 Option Video
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2017, 08:02:32 PM »
My goal is to install/run 38/47 as I have learned with your materials.  It seems not many run option, so I was a bit concerned there was reason I was missing.

The reason is "47 speed". 
That is the greatest play in DCWT.  You can see me install it in virtual real time on the install DVD.  You'll never install "47 Option" in the time you see me install "47 Speed".  And watch how fast and easy I put in the reverse off it to the SE which is another killer play.  That little 52 pounder becomes a hero.  And look for one of your little SE's that can pass.  He can throw to that uncovered QB on the same reverse.
Plays like this are "back breakers" to the other team.  They're working so hard to stop "47 Speed" and then you run this stuff on them.  Expect total silence as you score by the backdoor.  The air has been let out of the tires.

"47 Speed" will work so well for you that you will wonder you don't just run it every play?
I recommend you post a question about "47 Speed" especially when and how best to use it.


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  Generally, I am feeling pretty good about it since I started preparing months ago.

If "47 Speed" is going to be in your playbook then you can reduce your option coaching to just "38 Option".  "38 Toss" is a great play but requires a fast blocking QB.  My "38 Option" QB's were all 72 pounds.  They stop when they reach the DE and pitch.  You probably have a right handed QB and it's a right handed play so its a good matchup. Again, you'll probably run it twice a game, 8 yards a carry but that's two first downs.  Freaks out opposing coach who thinks you'll never run that again and then you do. To the other side you run "47 Speed" (Seeing "38 Option" twice takes their mind off "47 Speed".  Indeed!  If they follow the WB on "Speed" you can run "Jet 38 Option" and hit all that green grass.).  Both "Speed" and "Option" are run from "Mini" splits.  Are you good with this suggestion?


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  Coming from DCUBSW, its hard to say what defenses we might see cause we saw such weird fronts with that.  I am pretty sure we will see 6/5 man boxes and not sure about coverages.

Gotcha.  You're right.  Coming from UBSW you won't have a clue how any anyone reacts to your SE and motion as so few others will run it except from spread.
However, coming from UBSW, you should know how to run wedge.  DCWT uses a "rugby" wedge (SPW), way more powerful than a SW wedge because defenders can't get behind it.  Also, you can run "QB Wedge" for 3 yards or 60 when you have 2 yards or less for a first down (You can run SPW when you need 5 yards or less for a first down.).   You should have wedge on the base install DVD.  Use BOTH wedges. "QB Wedge" can be a HUGE play.  "Wedge" also uses "mini" splits same as "speed" and "option" so all the plays I'm describing look exactly alike so the defense gets to guess which one's coming.

Your next concern is now?   8)

 
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Re: 38/47 Option Video
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2017, 04:17:35 PM »
Have run some option before at the youth level. It is not an easy teach however. A lot of moving parts! I went away from allowing my QB to make the reads and called the keeps from the sideline. You will notice when running any option offense at the youth level that the key will not very his path very often. DE's tend to play box in rather then hard dives. So that makes "give" the most used portion of the option. We ran some spinner stuff that allowed us to get the DE to commit down to dive but that happened with older boys.
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Re: 38/47 Option Video
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2017, 08:15:15 AM »
Yeah, I am good with speed/option/wedge being run out of mini.  I wasn't thinking option would be run out of mini, but I understand why it might be a good thing.

If I was not to install 47 option and just go with 47 speed, it seems that jumbo/orbit motion of WB to left does not make sense?

FWIW, my plan for base play list:
Wedge
24/23
16/15
38/47(speed/option)
Pass Right/Left
Right 41 Trap/Left 32 Trap
Right 65 Kick/Left 58

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Re: 38/47 Option Video
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2017, 11:04:40 AM »
We installed and ran some option our 2nd year of DCWT.  I will see if I can dig up some film to share, we didn't have a lot of success with it but we didn't have a lot of success with anything that season. >:(

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Re: 38/47 Option Video
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2017, 11:28:11 AM »
Yeah, I am good with speed/option/wedge being run out of mini.  I wasn't thinking option would be run out of mini, but I understand why it might be a good thing.

If I was not to install 47 option and just go with 47 speed, it seems that jumbo/orbit motion of WB to left does not make sense?

You would probably drop "15" too if you drop "jumbo".






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FWIW, my plan for base play list:
Wedge
24/23
16/15
38/47(speed/option)
Pass Right/Left
Right 41 Trap/Left 32 Trap
Right 65 Kick/Left 58

I would add "33 Quick" and "Fake Speed, 56 reverse."
If you count it up up, you're only getting two plays to your best backs (HB and WB).  "33 Quick" gives you three to HB and a second to SE.  You might see some WT6 which would let you run "T 44 Quick" or maybe some form of "47 or 45 reverse"?  This gives a third play to the WB.

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