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Offline str8outtajerzy

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After 4 years of theory I finally get to coach the DCWT!
« on: August 14, 2017, 12:48:27 PM »
After a horrible showing on offense during our first scrimmage, I convinced the staff to give me the keys to the offense. We had our jamboree this past Saturday with 2 & 1/2 practices and I was pretty pleased for our first endeavor. Of course I have question. Firstly I know that we got absolutely NOTHING from the FB, after looking at the film he was TERRIBLE!

1.) On Pass right down by the goaline they blitzed off the left side and got in. I forgot to install mini splits, but even with that it seems that backside pressure would still be a factor.
2.) For 24 Belly, if I have someone lined up in the "nasty split and outside the TE who would block the inside guy? The WB from motion? The TE washing down?
If it's the WB it seems that there would be a log jam.
3.) As far as progression it's a toss up between the Wedge series or Right/Left cues. Also which formations would be most beneficial to add. I'm trying to bring them along slowly even though we got a late start.



I am uploading film (it's the entire game 2 10 minute quarters, sorry no cut ups), please let me know everything I can improve on.
The starting offense comes in at the 3:24 mark.


https://youtu.be/-L1YMbH2ksw
« Last Edit: August 14, 2017, 01:13:47 PM by str8outtajerzy »

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Re: After 4 years of theory I finally get to coach the DCWT!
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2017, 12:01:45 AM »
What age group?

Train up the FB EVERYDAY!!! But make sure you have the right kid....downhill runner no juke and jiving....get me 4-5 yds!

Get the Right/Left backfield action smooth and everything can fall into place from there....depending on age group....but I've ran it with 3rd graders.

On your question on someone inside nasty Split on 24...WB should pick him up on his track block and should move him if you have the right kid playing WB! TE still has Track to LB...player outside of TE shouldn't make the tackle on 24 if hitting hole correctly (AGAIN TRAIN FB EVERYDAY) But me I would try to cross block depending on the inside DL tech.

Formations install is easy because its just a players tag. My favs: Slot, Trips (Wedge), TE Over, WB Over, HB Over (this is actually a over load that they don't notice cuz its in the backfield)

Must get the 47 speed working quick....if you have the speed there its $$!

All Passes must be released by the 4 on 4 Mississippi counts...If he gets it out by then backside pressure shouldn't be an issue! Every Rep Count it out in Practice!


I'm going to watch the film now..


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Re: After 4 years of theory I finally get to coach the DCWT!
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2017, 12:03:55 AM »
Video won't play??
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Re: After 4 years of theory I finally get to coach the DCWT!
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2017, 12:08:32 AM »
Video won't play??

I think its private?
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Re: After 4 years of theory I finally get to coach the DCWT!
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2017, 12:29:50 AM »
I made it unlisted instead of private, so you should be able to see it now.

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Re: After 4 years of theory I finally get to coach the DCWT!
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2017, 12:39:11 AM »
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What age group?

These are 11 U kids.
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Train up the FB EVERYDAY!!! But make sure you have the right kid....downhill runner no juke and jiving....get me 4-5 yds!


I thought I had the right kid, but when you see the film he kept hitting the wrong hole and going the wrong direction (Left on Pass right).


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Get the Right/Left backfield action smooth and everything can fall into place from there....depending on age group....but I've ran it with 3rd graders.


We had problems with Right/Left due to the change in snap count. I will revisit it in the coming weeks.

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On your question on someone inside nasty Split on 24...WB should pick him up on his track block and should move him if you have the right kid playing WB! TE still has Track to LB...player outside of TE shouldn't make the tackle on 24 if hitting hole correctly (AGAIN TRAIN FB EVERYDAY) But me I would try to cross block depending on the inside DL tech.

I never thought about cross blocking, I'll have to look at it and see.


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Must get the 47 speed working quick....if you have the speed there its $$!

The first time we ran 47 speed the HB dove the 3 hole the the DE blew it up. I calmly explained the the HB (2nd string until my son gets back) what he needed to do and the next time I called it, we sprang for 35!

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All Passes must be released by the 4 on 4 Mississippi counts...If he gets it out by then backside pressure shouldn't be an issue! Every Rep Count it out in Practice!

Agreed, we only went over the pass briefly on the Thursday before the scrimmage so I expected it to look ugly.



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Re: After 4 years of theory I finally get to coach the DCWT!
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2017, 12:46:09 AM »
UPDATE:

#10 (QB1) wants to play in the backfield, so I'm going to start repping #14 with the 1s. He is not as athletic, but he is a gamer. I'm thinking more "Toss" series stuff with him. If this works once my son come back we will have 3 studs in the backfield.

#12 (WB in the film) will move to FB
#10 (QB in the film) will move to WB
and my son (4th in the nation at the 100 meter dash) will be the HB

Man, I'm excited if this works!

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Re: After 4 years of theory I finally get to coach the DCWT!
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2017, 08:15:35 AM »
I see you didn't install mini

Wedge goes from mini and I would get both those installed asap

also If you can make your 47 and the wedge play look similar. Its hard to defend both at the same time

If you need help getting in the formations I have a few slides on how I installed it in less than 30 minutes.
If you want it i'll drop it

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Re: After 4 years of theory I finally get to coach the DCWT!
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2017, 12:25:27 AM »
WB skips his track on 4 hole. He would have either blocked the gapped defender out or you would've cross blocked him with G/T

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Re: After 4 years of theory I finally get to coach the DCWT!
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2017, 01:24:08 AM »

1.) On Pass right down by the goaline they blitzed off the left side and got in. I forgot to install mini splits, but even with that it seems that backside pressure would still be a factor.


On "Pass Right" the linemen have man over player to their left.  That blitzing linebacker had to be to somebody's left (If he came up to the line presnap.).

Otherwise - Yes - Mini splits make up for a lot of mistakes as does having the QB setup behind the FB's block (to get away from the backside rush).  As mentioned, the ball must be gone fast.  I use the count of "One monkey, two monkeys, three monkeys, four!" and the ball is gone or QB is running. 
« Last Edit: August 16, 2017, 03:42:19 PM by DumCoach »
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Re: After 4 years of theory I finally get to coach the DCWT!
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2017, 11:24:00 AM »
To help with backside and to simplify---I am instructing the line to protect/step into left gap for Pass Right and protect/step into right gap for Pass Left. 


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Re: After 4 years of theory I finally get to coach the DCWT!
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2017, 11:45:41 PM »
things I seen watching the film that I think will help IMO.

3 back is not consistent with his 3 steps and looks 1 step back to far. (IMO 4 back should be even with 3 back if they helps you visualize it. This will also help with 33 quick which I feel is a must have. But if he is too far back and OT goes to LB DE will make tackle. 1 major key of this play is for 3 back to hit it so quick DE don't have a chance to make the tackle.

2 back isnt stepping off at all....REALLY needs to do that...he also looks 1 step back to far.

4 back motion is not the same every time. I would key on that myself. Make sure he steps off also and is the same motion for every play. REP REP REP until its right but if you count off the same steps each time and find the correct steps. I've changed this depending on WB. ex. 1 WB I had (best i've ever have) played a lot on D so wanted to cut down his motion steps so he was different than another WB I had on a different team. Most times my WB's had different count off steps due to different speeds.

OL has to get better and thats with any O you run! And I'm sure they will if you have the right coach working with them ijs tho

And I seen where you said your son is very fast but your putting him a 3 back....If he is that fast and can block good he should go to 4 back IMO....I forgot the kids # but he was playing QB a few times and had some good runs with good moves IMO he should go 3 back. Fastest kid at 4 back IMO helps the O be very dangerous!

That being said...your D looks GOOD!!!

My must have plays:
Base 24/23 w/ Cross Block
MAXI 33 Quick
MINI 36 Toss
MINI 47 Speed
BASE 25/26 Power
MINI Wedge of course
BASE L 32 Trap
BASE R 45 Kick
BASE L 45 YoYo
MAXI 20 Midline
MAXI 10 Midline
BASE R 41 Trap
Back Swap MINI 27 Quick Pitch SPEED put your fastest 4 back at 2
MINI 15/16
Pass L/R Make sure 2 back fakes the handoff even tho QB may not put it in there his action will freeze D
47 Speed 56 Reverse

I ran most of these with a 3rd grade team except YOYO & 10 Midline







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Re: After 4 years of theory I finally get to coach the DCWT!
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2017, 01:17:25 AM »
I see you didn't install mini

Wedge goes from mini and I would get both those installed asap

also If you can make your 47 and the wedge play look similar. Its hard to defend both at the same time

If you need help getting in the formations I have a few slides on how I installed it in less than 30 minutes.
If you want it i'll drop it

Yes please any and all help is appreciated!

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Re: After 4 years of theory I finally get to coach the DCWT!
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2017, 09:09:36 AM »
Here is the fastest easiest way I have found to install the formations.
I am a formation nut, I will find formation you have issues with on your defense and run bout 12 plays out of dozens of formations. It makes our playbook look harder than it is and hard to scout

Robert

2 Things my offense will always have is a Wing and a Wedge