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Offline coachdjng

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crashing ends foiled us the second week in a row.
« on: September 26, 2011, 08:02:09 PM »
I thought we fixed this, but not.
Second team that put their best players at DE and sent them upfield to fullback depth or slanting in
on weak side.   our qbs and running backs got afraid and everything but inside running was
stopped. 

I cannot believe backside de tackled out running back on 32 toss and 32 power.
47 speed went not. only off tackle we could run was a quick sweep to weak side.

Are there any drills that can help with the blocking of these types of ends.  Every team that does not
do these we eat up for lunch.  I must be missing some coaching technique.

I have not used rabbits but i am going to now.

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Re: crashing ends foiled us the second week in a row.
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2011, 08:40:13 PM »
You might want to provide film.  This offense is predicated on forcing the defense to crash their DE's and then go outside.
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Re: crashing ends foiled us the second week in a row.
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2011, 11:59:40 PM »
I thought we fixed this, but not.
Second team that put their best players at DE and sent them upfield to fullback depth or slanting in
on weak side.   our qbs and running backs got afraid and everything but inside running was
stopped. 

I cannot believe backside de tackled out running back on 32 toss and 32 power.
47 speed went not. only off tackle we could run was a quick sweep to weak side.

Are there any drills that can help with the blocking of these types of ends.  Every team that does not
do these we eat up for lunch.  I must be missing some coaching technique.

I have not used rabbits but i am going to now.

Option? 0 open? Slant? 45 Right Kick? Slot formation? Was your FB getting the DE on 36? Was the wing able to get him on 25 Power?

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Re: crashing ends foiled us the second week in a row.
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2011, 10:09:02 AM »
During film we saw that our backfield was 5 yards or more back!  And by the time the fullback got
to the end he was 3 or 4 yards in backfield.  So we were screwed at snap.
I was watching defense and sending in plays, backfield coach was on field with the huddle.

our line rocked, but linebackers had so much time to read.  Very frustrating, I lay this one on the coaches.
our fullback had his first week of football last week after a 2 week hawaii affair, I guess he zoned on the alignment that we went over and over last week.  I figured last week was an issue with the backup fullback
which film kinda showed, but this game the guys needed the coach to step up.

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Re: crashing ends foiled us the second week in a row.
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2011, 10:42:52 AM »
During film we saw that our backfield was 5 yards or more back!  And by the time the fullback got
to the end he was 3 or 4 yards in backfield.  So we were screwed at snap.
I was watching defense and sending in plays, backfield coach was on field with the huddle.

our line rocked, but linebackers had so much time to read.  Very frustrating, I lay this one on the coaches.
our fullback had his first week of football last week after a 2 week hawaii affair, I guess he zoned on the alignment that we went over and over last week.  I figured last week was an issue with the backup fullback
which film kinda showed, but this game the guys needed the coach to step up.

Sounds like you have a slow fullback or they have fast def ends, easy fix is maxi or call r23 kick orbit should occupy backside if not run left 36buck
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Re: crashing ends foiled us the second week in a row.
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2011, 11:50:56 AM »
In the second half we did a couple of the kick calls.  got about 5 yards on one and backfield confusion.
adding a change like that and the kids go, uh,what , well backfield anyway.  our 36 buck was hit or miss
5yds, then minus yards and the way it went we missed our 1st downs.

And yes our fullback was not exploding out of his stance, which is getting addressed today.

thanks for the suggestions coaches!

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Re: crashing ends foiled us the second week in a row.
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2011, 11:59:13 AM »
During film we saw that our backfield was 5 yards or more back! 

This has to be fixed first.

The ball should be out of the backfield in 3 monkeys. It is a QUICK hitting offense that forces the LBs to have thier feet planted in cement.

WIth a FB that far back especially with 10 YOs you have them TEEING off on your backs.

Move him closer and fix your QB. Your QB is probably the issue and thats why the FB was moved back.

Count your steps (Probably the second biggest mistake coaches do to this offense)

Hope this helps
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Re: crashing ends foiled us the second week in a row.
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2011, 05:59:49 PM »
I just posted "24 Flea Flicker" for crashing DE's.

http://www.dumcoach.com/index.php/topic,5856.0.html
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Re: crashing ends foiled us the second week in a row.
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2011, 11:17:40 AM »
My HB, who just eats and breathes football, suggested this play(flea flicker) in practice last night!
We put our best defensive player at end and had him come down hard like the other two teams did.
We told our backfield that their jobs were up for grabs and we would put them on the line to open up
holes for our smaller quicker backs who just happen to be rabbits during indy.  Worked great, backfield
lined up properly and never once got tackled by the rabbit.

Hope this translates to the game.