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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2017, 01:22:54 PM »
Beast really needs to be a stand alone with common blocking rules because things will forever get weird.

Some of the things you and I see....a head scratch'r for sure and half the time you really cant say the D is doing wrong.

Same thing applies to all of the traditional SW teams. The Defense will do weird things.

Heading into next season, one of my concerns is that I haven't seem to have gotten past the "I can't explain it, but I know when I see it." This group of linemen managed to get on my wavelength and figure it out with the exception of Pablo and the backs. They all would do their own thing from time to time. It's hard to get on them when it results in a big play or a score, but I try to explain that it worked because someone on the defense did their own thing as well and it happened to work out for us. I don't like to rely on the other team messing up.

If you notice, I stopped yelling our assignments half way through the season. In the last half, including playoffs, I saw the line calling out assignments to each other and the backs. They simply took over and Fish had the power of veto.  I'm at a complete loss as to how to install the "Beast Philosophy" to a bunch of 2nd graders. I'm sure we'll figure it out. Hard to imagine that Beast will be harder to run against 2nd graders.
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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2017, 02:17:30 PM »
Agreed. Plus I wouldn't want my WB tasked with taking on a DT in an unlimited weight league. That would get ugly....fast.

Same here
My 78 lb wing on a monster 150 lb DT athlete
I dont think so in real life
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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2017, 02:36:48 PM »
In the DCWT, the WB does not black a DT, he blocks a LB.

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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2017, 02:38:15 PM »
In the DCWT, the WB does not black a DT, he blocks a LB.

yes and on the diagrammed play any DT on the outside shoulder of the Power Tackle would be unblocked and make the tackle
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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2017, 02:46:34 PM »
yes and on the diagrammed play any DT on the outside shoulder of the Power Tackle would be unblocked and make the tackle
If there is a DT there he is going to get cracked and cracked hard.

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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2017, 02:49:49 PM »
If there is a DT there he is going to get cracked and cracked hard.

Yes he is...illegally.   :)
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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2017, 02:49:56 PM »
If there is a DT there he is going to get cracked and cracked hard.

Not according to the diagram
TE goes to LB
So does the WB

And in unlimited weight leagues- here a WB cracking an unlimited weight DT- wouldnt work at all
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« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2017, 02:53:24 PM »
Yes he is...illegally.   :)
How? Unless your league doesn't allow any version of a crack block. We are allowed to crack block as long as we won't lead with our shoulders.

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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2017, 02:55:24 PM »
Not according to the diagram
TE goes to LB
So does the WB

And in unlimited weight leagues- here a WB cracking an unlimited weight DT- wouldnt work at all
I coach Unlimited and I have seen some pretty athletic WBs. But I guess I would defer this question to Clark. I am sure he has the real answer.

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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2017, 02:58:28 PM »
I coach Unlimited and I have seen some pretty athletic WBs. But I guess I would defer this question to Clark. I am sure he has the real answer.

When they are outweighed by 100 lbs- not so much

This is what your buddy Mike M said about not wanting that WB to block the DT
" Agreed. Plus I wouldn't want my WB tasked with taking on a DT in an unlimited weight league. That would get ugly....fast."

Clark hasnt coached on grass in over 10 years and hasnt run this stuff at all- Mike M has
Paper and grass are 2 very different things many times
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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2017, 03:13:22 PM »
How? Unless your league doesn't allow any version of a crack block. We are allowed to crack block as long as we won't lead with our shoulders.

Motion to crack is a dying play anymore with the new rules about blocking in the back. Head MUST BE IN FRONT at all times. That is a tall order. We get flagged if a defender simply turns his back on a blocker in all the mayhem.

There was one team that did this intentionally. Had to cue up the Ref after 2 or 3 calls . 

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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2017, 03:17:36 PM »
How? Unless your league doesn't allow any version of a crack block. We are allowed to crack block as long as we won't lead with our shoulders.

So your little WIngback is going to crack an unlimited weight DT with his hands- even though it's not on the diagram?
 That shows the WB blocking a more doable LB
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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2017, 03:29:22 PM »
yes and on the diagrammed play any DT on the outside shoulder of the Power Tackle would be unblocked and make the tackle

Maybe I'm missing something from the diagram, but a man outside the PT will get kicked by the #2 back. If there are two outside him and the 2nd is ublocked by the TE, don't worry about him. He's out of the play.
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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2017, 03:33:33 PM »
Maybe I'm missing something from the diagram, but a man outside the PT will get kicked by the #2 back. If there are two outside him and the 2nd is ublocked by the TE, don't worry about him. He's out of the play.

Diagram clearly shows #2 blocking the player outside the TE on the LOS- which would be the DE
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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2017, 03:35:27 PM »
Maybe I'm missing something from the diagram, but a man outside the PT will get kicked by the #2 back. If there are two outside him and the 2nd is ublocked by the TE, don't worry about him. He's out of the play.

Could be. I think it would be easier to just have the TE block GOL.

You know me.....not a fan of motioning ANYONE to block ANYONE.

Funny story...my first year coaching semi pros. Im the WR / TE's coach. OC wants to put in a jet series. At times the Jet man was tasked to come off his jet motion crack to a LB'r. He politely declined explaining that he has a real job that he had to be at on Monday mornings.  :P

He was a police officer.
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