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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #165 on: December 05, 2017, 11:57:34 AM »
No, that's not it.  I assume your Center is the squashed-looking circle.  If so, then my DTs should be in both B-Gaps.  (You have my strong side DT in the C-Gap.)  My SSILB should be where you placed my E, but at 3 yards depth.  WSILB can be head-up over the Center at 3 yards depth.

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That is balanced and sound. What's the logic behind the 12 yard safety? In younger age groups, would you move him up?

Your ILB will be a hard block for either the inside or outside sniffer. I assume our OLB is your force. If that's the case, that would be a very hard kick for our middle sniffer.  If your CB is a player (and I'm sure he is), we would have to get our of our comfort zone and send the outside sniffer at him. We'd be forced to play the "athlete" game. Our 2nd game of the year against a hated, but weakened rival, we played that game and lost. They forced us out of Beast.
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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #166 on: December 05, 2017, 12:05:10 PM »
That is balanced and sound. What's the logic behind the 12 yard safety? In younger age groups, would you move him up?

Your ILB will be a hard block for either the inside or outside sniffer. I assume our OLB is your force. If that's the case, that would be a very hard kick for our middle sniffer.  If your CB is a player (and I'm sure he is), we would have to get our of our comfort zone and send the outside sniffer at him. We'd be forced to play the "athlete" game. Our 2nd game of the year against a hated, but weakened rival, we played that game and lost. They forced us out of Beast.
Since they forced you out of beast, what was your back up plan?

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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #167 on: December 05, 2017, 12:21:44 PM »
Since they forced you out of beast, what was your back up plan?

Run our Regular Offense.

Beast is the backup plan especially against this coach. We have played his team probably 5 times now to include one Championship. All they care about is stopping Beast and they are pretty good at it.
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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #168 on: December 05, 2017, 12:38:58 PM »
Run our Regular Offense.

Beast is the backup plan especially against this coach. We have played his team probably 5 times now to include one Championship. All they care about is stopping Beast and they are pretty good at it.
What would you do if Beast was the only thing you had installed? Not saying this would ever happen to you but what if you were 100% Beast 100% of the time?

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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #169 on: December 05, 2017, 12:55:11 PM »
What would you do if Beast was the only thing you had installed? Not saying this would ever happen to you but what if you were 100% Beast 100% of the time?

Keep pluggin' along.

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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #170 on: December 05, 2017, 02:49:09 PM »
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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #171 on: December 05, 2017, 04:05:15 PM »
Since they forced you out of beast, what was your back up plan?

Beast Left.  :D

Seriously, a good alignment and scheme vs Beast tends to be a very bad alignment and scheme vs 5 Wide "Air Mahonz".
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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #172 on: December 05, 2017, 06:43:27 PM »
Beast Left.  :D

Seriously, a good alignment and scheme vs Beast tends to be a very bad alignment and scheme vs 5 Wide "Air Mahonz".

Yep....when Beast nets you a 4th and flippin' 21.....

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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #173 on: December 05, 2017, 07:02:46 PM »
That is balanced and sound. What's the logic behind the 12 yard safety? In younger age groups, would you move him up?

Your ILB will be a hard block for either the inside or outside sniffer. I assume our OLB is your force. If that's the case, that would be a very hard kick for our middle sniffer.  If your CB is a player (and I'm sure he is), we would have to get our of our comfort zone and send the outside sniffer at him. We'd be forced to play the "athlete" game. Our 2nd game of the year against a hated, but weakened rival, we played that game and lost. They forced us out of Beast.

Check out how I blocked it.
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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #174 on: December 05, 2017, 08:14:11 PM »
What's the logic behind the 12 yard safety? In younger age groups, would you move him up?

Safety plays Centerfield.  I would not move him up.  No reason to.  I've got ten other guys that are "moved up."  The Safety is there to prevent the "Big Play."  When I coached 7-9s, we routinely went with two Safeties as a 3rd level of defense.  Not to defend against a successful passing game (there wasn't any); but to defend against the Big Play.  That age level is all about: 1st Down, fumble.  2nd Down, penalty.  2nd and long, scrum play goes nowhere.  3rd Down, broken play, gets outside and goes 75 yards for a touchdown.  We had three levels of defense to prevent the Big Play.  We weren't concerned about opponents consistently nickel and diming us down the field, because most 7-9 offenses implode in one way or another before they can mount a 12-15 play drive.  And even if they could, their "scheme" isn't set up to do that.

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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #175 on: December 05, 2017, 08:21:37 PM »
Check out how I blocked it.

I did.  And you blocked it very well.  But if this is a "wide-split Beast," then I still think you'll have problems with us.  If this is a tight-split Beast, then I really like your scheme, although I just don't believe your Guard can pull and block my 3B.  (Although I do see that you're double-teaming my 3B.)  I also doubt your LE can block my RILB.  If (at the youth level) your (worst players) offensive linemen can successfully block my (best players) linebackers, then I'm going to get destroyed anyway.  Regardless, you have done a great job with this scheme, Clark.  You are top notch.

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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #176 on: December 05, 2017, 08:26:24 PM »
Check out how I blocked it.

I would have the Center block the B....that kid can come screaming in unblocked faster than you can get vertical.
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« Reply #177 on: December 05, 2017, 08:40:09 PM »
I did.  And you blocked it very well.  But if this is a "wide-split Beast," then I still think you'll have problems with us.  If this is a tight-split Beast, then I really like your scheme, although I just don't believe your Guard can pull and block my 3B.  (Although I do see that you're double-teaming my 3B.)  I also doubt your LE can block my RILB.  If (at the youth level) your (worst players) offensive linemen can successfully block my (best players) linebackers, then I'm going to get destroyed anyway.  Regardless, you have done a great job with this scheme, Clark.  You are top notch.

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It would have to be skinny splits Beast. It might take a week for that OG to get to your 3B with mega splits.

Gumby played around with the PSOT pulling to lead on toss sweep....with the best OLM we had...and he never blocked a single defender that I saw.  YET....I dont think he worked on it enough.


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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #178 on: December 05, 2017, 08:42:50 PM »
Safety plays Centerfield.  I would not move him up.  No reason to.  I've got ten other guys that are "moved up."  The Safety is there to prevent the "Big Play."  When I coached 7-9s, we routinely went with two Safeties as a 3rd level of defense.  Not to defend against a successful passing game (there wasn't any); but to defend against the Big Play.  That age level is all about: 1st Down, fumble.  2nd Down, penalty.  2nd and long, scrum play goes nowhere.  3rd Down, broken play, gets outside and goes 75 yards for a touchdown.  We had three levels of defense to prevent the Big Play.  We weren't concerned about opponents consistently nickel and diming us down the field, because most 7-9 offenses implode in one way or another before they can mount a 12-15 play drive.  And even if they could, their "scheme" isn't set up to do that.

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Interesting. With the Smurfs I go 100% cover zero. The reason....if the ball gets to the 3rd level its probably a TD anyway so prevent the ball from getting to the 3rd level with more defenders.
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Re: DCWT BEAST
« Reply #179 on: December 05, 2017, 08:48:41 PM »
I did.  And you blocked it very well.  But if this is a "wide-split Beast," then I still think you'll have problems with us.  If this is a tight-split Beast, then I really like your scheme, although I just don't believe your Guard can pull and block my 3B.  (Although I do see that you're double-teaming my 3B.)  I also doubt your LE can block my RILB.  If (at the youth level) your (worst players) offensive linemen can successfully block my (best players) linebackers, then I'm going to get destroyed anyway.  Regardless, you have done a great job with this scheme, Clark.  You are top notch.

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Center-Guard-Tackle are all pretty much foot to foot strong side.  Split between OT and strong OT is width of one player.  Same for TE.  The distance pulled is exactly the same distance as backside OT pulls in DW toss.  One foot splits weakside.  TE is biggest lineman that can catch.  Once your MLB gets past him, he still has to run the hump of the double team.

Anyone else want try defending it?  There are two other ways to block it.
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