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Offline dan82564

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Getting the ball to my super fast RB
« on: July 30, 2017, 08:36:35 AM »
I have a very Big O-line this year and very small backfield. I have one big boy I may play at FB other than that all my backs are under 120lbs in a unlimited weight division  12-14 age group. My HB is a very smart tough fast kid. I want to get him the ball more often. What formations / plays would you use

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Re: Getting the ball to my super fast RB
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2017, 09:29:45 AM »
L 32 Trap
L 36 Sweep
37 Power Screen
37 Quick Speed
Freeze 38 Rocket Power
Jet 36 Toss

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Re: Getting the ball to my super fast RB
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2017, 01:28:57 PM »
33 quick and 38 Power Toss were 2 great plays for me when I ran it with a similar kid..  the key for me was running 23/24, and 41 trap and 47 speed.  Spread the ball around so they don't focus on that kid.  Make them honor all three of them.

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Re: Getting the ball to my super fast RB
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2017, 04:58:20 PM »
The last cpl of years I have been successfully running both DW and DCWT. This year I think my personnel is built more for WT so I think we will be running more of that. Thanks

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Re: Getting the ball to my super fast RB
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2017, 05:01:47 PM »
Spread the ball around and throw a pass or 2 in there every now and then  ;)

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Re: Getting the ball to my super fast RB
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2017, 06:39:30 PM »
Flip pass right #1.

It's hard for youth QB's to throw out route on a roll out to the left so just flip the formation and run it the other way.

Slot fake 23, 38 or 36 sweep depending on how you like to run it

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Re: Getting the ball to my super fast RB
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2017, 02:27:19 PM »
Left 32 Trap
33 Quick
38 Power Toss (HB reads that lead QB for the cutback.).
"Pass Left #1"

He's also a good "Trips" receiver.

"Maxi 33 Quick Trap" is a 4 yard play right out the box.  However, when you start teaching the right side of the line to get downfield on FS, if the HB can cut back inside their blocking, it's a TD play.

As long as you spread the ball around and don't showcase him, he'll get good yards.  But he needs a showcase FB next to him.

Also,your most talented star sits at WB.  He goes completely ignored.  They'll put some corner on him.  MISMATCH!
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Re: Getting the ball to my super fast RB
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2017, 08:23:56 PM »

Also,your most talented star sits at WB.  He goes completely ignored.  They'll put some corner on him.  MISMATCH!

I like that idea

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Re: Getting the ball to my super fast RB
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2017, 12:04:38 AM »
^^^^^
We do that.... Kid kills them when he gets the ball... Fastest kid O  field most times.
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Re: Getting the ball to my super fast RB
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2017, 11:40:14 AM »
I don't know about the DCWT, since I haven't ran that version, but traditionally the FB was often the featured runner in the old school Wing-T.  He didn't do a whole lot of blocking himself, but rather served more like the Wing-T version of the "I Formation TB."

If he's fast and tough, I wouldn't worry so much about HOW to get him the ball so much as I'd just worry about making sure he gets the ball OFTEN, preferably 20 times a game or more.

If he can run inside, put him at FB and feed him.  Belly Series in the old Wing-T was a FB's dream: Belly, Belly Sweep, and then Buck Trap have produced thousands of 1,000 yard rushers over the years.  If he can hack it here and you have some other fast kids, put the big bull at TE or WB (to block down) or even G so he can pull.

If he's not good at running inside, my preference would be to get into more of a spread set and use Jet or Rocket Series.  Feed him on the Sweep so he can just outrun everyone and use that to set up the entire offense, then run counters back to him when.  People often don't realize just how explosive a counter can be to your fastest RB.  That's where most big plays come from on the ground, IMO.  If you have Buck Series in there, Buck Sweep is good, too.

As far as throwing him the ball, a simple throwback screen to a kid like this is money in long yardage situations--much easier completion and it gives him a chance to run when the defense tends to gear up for the long ball.  We run one off Buck Sweep that's great: fake the sweep and run the boot while the backside OL kind of "leak out" and look to block the 1st defender to the sideline and the first LB inside him.  #1 will run a post and clear out the CB while #2 runs a drag and draws the FS up over there.  QB will boot, then pull up, turn, and throw back the other way to a wide open speedster with blockers in front of him.  Usually we don't even need a block on that one unless the BSLB really has a good football IQ.
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Re: Getting the ball to my super fast RB
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2017, 07:05:53 PM »
I don't know about the DCWT, since I haven't ran that version, but traditionally the FB was often the featured runner in the old school Wing-T. 

Feature runner is the FB in DC Wing T also but he's not small and not particularly fast.  Never runs wider than "C" gap, mostly "B".




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He didn't do a whole lot of blocking himself, but rather served more like the Wing-T version of the "I Formation TB."

If he's fast and tough, I wouldn't worry so much about HOW to get him the ball so much as I'd just worry about making sure he gets the ball OFTEN, preferably 20 times a game or more.

DC Wing T FB is more like Navy's FB.  Takes a bruising and delivers a bruising running north south.  Goal is a consistent 5 yard gain, preferably on first down.

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If he can run inside, put him at FB and feed him.  Belly Series in the old Wing-T was a FB's dream: Belly, Belly Sweep, and then Buck Trap have produced thousands of 1,000 yard rushers over the years.  If he can hack it here and you have some other fast kids, put the big bull at TE or WB (to block down) or even G so he can pull.

FB does run belly.  HB takes the ball outside (think "buck sweep") as he is faster than FB.  WB is also faster than FB and screaming weakside (Youth teams do not expect you to run weak.).  In fact, WB is usually the team stud.  FB is a bull.

Logic is that most youth D's will put their #1 and #2 studs at inside LBer (think 5-2) to key what they think are the #1 and #2 studs for the offense (FB and HB).  That is incorrect.  They are facing #2 and #3 (#3 at FB).  #1 stud is WB in motion.  Defense assigns our WB a corner (about #10 or #11 rankwise for talent).  Result, their worst on our best stud.  Mismatch.

If FB comes banging through for five on belly first down, defense must honor him on second down or it's 5 more and first down.  In fact, they expect it.  They think DCWT is just an offset "I" and FB is the TB.   And, as we all know, TB carries the ball a lot in "I".  They expect the same thing again.  This is when HB or WB get the ball and are looking for a lot more than just 5 yards (a HB Trap or WB Speed can go all the way).  If we don't get the first down, run FB belly again or just wedge for it.  First down?  Give to the FB for 5 and repeat.

Pass every five plays. 

You can read in the DCWT manual in the first chapter how the offense conflicts the defense.

DCWT looks like Delaware all wrong.  The SE's in too close, the WB's out too far, backs are not deep enough... But it works.

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Re: Getting the ball to my super fast RB
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2017, 04:25:17 PM »
Logic is that most youth D's will put their #1 and #2 studs at inside LBer (think 5-2) to key what they think are the #1 and #2 studs for the offense (FB and HB).  That is incorrect.  They are facing #2 and #3 (#3 at FB).  #1 stud is WB in motion.  Defense assigns our WB a corner (about #10 or #11 rankwise for talent).  Result, their worst on our best stud.  Mismatch.

This is something I noticed as well. So I put my best defensive player at weakside LB so that I can have the mismatch against their weaker side. My #2 and #3 defenders go to strong side.
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