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Offline austindperry

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Need Help Creating My DC Wing-T Playbook
« on: November 07, 2016, 12:11:12 PM »
So today I'm going through the manual and selecting the plays I would like to run next year. It's officially the offseason for our league now and I'm already starting to turn my attention to 2017.

I've been researching the DC Wing-T for the past month and even installed part of the Jet series with my Wishbone team (which I've posted about previously) with decent success. Now I want to start formalizing the initial plays I want to teach my ACs in the offseason so we can be ready to go next year.

Below is what I have so far. I'm looking to know if this is too ambitious or maybe if I'm missing something crucial. There is such an extensive selection in the manual and this doesn't even cover formation tags and cues. I'm open to any and all feedback.

Belly Series
  • 24
  • 16
  • 38 Option
  • 23
  • 15
  • 47 Option

Belly Counters
  • Right 65 Kick
  • Left 56 Sweep
  • Left 32 Trap

Jet Series
  • 47 Speed
  • 25 Power
  • Jet 36 Toss
  • Fake Speed 56 Reverse Sweep

Quick Hitters, Wedge & Toss
  • 33 Trap
  • 44 Quick
  • Super Power Wedge
  • 38 Power Toss

Passing Game
  • Pass Right
  • Pass Right, 0 Open
  • Pass Left
  • Pass Left, 0 Open

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Re: Need Help Creating My DC Wing-T Playbook
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2016, 12:42:04 PM »
Suggestions below with ***

Belly Series
24
Rocket 38 **
23
47 toss**

Belly Counters*** work best with toss as opposed to option as to suggestiins previous
Right 65 Kick
Left 32 Trap

Jet Series---
47 Speed
25 Power
Fake Speed 56 Reverse Sweep * this never worked for us...but power screen did

Quick Hitters, Wedge & Toss
33 Trap***only good vs 5 -0 front...33 quick covers it
44 Quick*** if using orbit or belly motion use 40 quick
Super Power Wedge - eh dont need wedge
38 Power Toss * great play
*** bobby dodd series is "the tits" - 30/40 quick



Passing Game
Pass Right - we only used 2 and 3 open
Pass Right, 0 Open
Slant bc it bill be there
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Re: Need Help Creating My DC Wing-T Playbook
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2016, 01:16:46 PM »
This is great.

Rocket 38 & 47 toss are definite additions.

I like the power screen, we installed it this year and it didn't work either time we ran it. Just seemed like too much congestion but I'm open to trying it again. Small sample size.

33 Quick sounds good

Bobby Dodd series looks great but would that be too much to add in addition to option and jet? What order would you suggest installing them in?

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Re: Need Help Creating My DC Wing-T Playbook
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2016, 01:56:15 PM »
Installation and playbook are different things


23 and 24 go first because thats the basis of the whole damn offense.

Then we go rocket 38 and 47 toss

Then install quick/bobby dodd series

If you dont do rocket put jet in... but remember jet and rocket are calls 2-3x a game and are usually big hitters.

After this base is in its upto you what to do first counters or passing. Dont do  both at same time...

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Re: Need Help Creating My DC Wing-T Playbook
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2017, 10:24:18 AM »
Installation and playbook are different things

23 and 24 go first because thats the basis of the whole damn offense.

Then we go rocket 38 and 47 toss

Then install quick/bobby dodd series

Zach, did you not install 15/16 as part of the Belly series or am I misreading your comment?  I am considering going to the DCWT and am trying to get handle on what I need for a base.

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Re: Need Help Creating My DC Wing-T Playbook
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2017, 01:41:07 PM »
I would go with QB Wedge and SPW.  SPW is good for 5-10 yards and a QB with wheels is gone on "QB wedge".
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Re: Need Help Creating My DC Wing-T Playbook
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2017, 02:13:51 PM »
How does wedge fit into belly series?  What is the backfield/wb action look like?

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Re: Need Help Creating My DC Wing-T Playbook
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2017, 03:39:32 PM »
Zach, did you not install 15/16 as part of the Belly series or am I misreading your comment?  I am considering going to the DCWT and am trying to get handle on what I need for a base.

Only one year... i find out early if i  have a throwing qb, a running qb, or a playing time qb.

Only time i run with the qb is qto, 38 option, 23 follow.

Non option qb we throw n wedge.
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Re: Need Help Creating My DC Wing-T Playbook
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2018, 01:31:57 PM »
I know this is an old thread, but the playlist is relevant as I’m a 2nd year OC and will be a 1st year DCWT this year (we ran DCUBSW last year).

This playlist looks great. I have a 12U team where most of our players have about 2-4 years experience (some as many as 6). We are a B team but have a great relationship as coaches with players/parents that we have had near 100% retention rate.

On this playlist, a big omission seems to be a 36 and/or 36 toss. Shouldn’t that be one of the first plays after 23/24?

I’m thinking this list above but adding 36.

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Re: Need Help Creating My DC Wing-T Playbook
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2018, 01:40:47 PM »
Coach, I completely agree about running 36. Or even 36 with a Sweep block by the TE and have a cue to bring the backside OG over and through like a more traditional power play.
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Re: Need Help Creating My DC Wing-T Playbook
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2018, 03:14:53 PM »
How does wedge fit into belly series?  What is the backfield/wb action look like?
I made my wedge look like our 47 speed action. I mainly ran the jet series so I used the wedge to attack the middle

I used the QB wedge was the first play of just about every series. Everyone knew it was coming but it was still hard to stop. I figured its hard for the other team to stop the 47 speed and the QB wedge at the same time.

They worried so much about my 47 I could wedge all day and run the 47 just a couple times a game just to keep the fear of the speed in them.

I would never run an offense without the wedge as a go to play.

If you want a formation game that I used for a quick install here it is.
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Re: Need Help Creating My DC Wing-T Playbook
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2018, 12:36:33 AM »
Coach, I completely agree about running 36. Or even 36 with a Sweep block by the TE and have a cue to bring the backside OG over and through like a more traditional power play.


Oddly enough, "36" is not a big gainer in DCWT in spite of the TE "nasty" split.  There are two reasons for this.  The first, and foremost, reason is that now you have to block the DE when, on "24" you don't.  Keep in mind that "24" becomes "26" based on what the FB sees in front of the RT.  So you already have a "6" hole run and, not only did you not have to block the DE but RT needed NO HELP.  He just takes man over anywhere he wants to go. 

To actually run a planned play to the "6" hole you'd need two more blockers than for "24".  You need one extra blocker for the DE and extra blocker to help seal the RT's man inside.  That call would be "36 Toss" which adds QB and LG as your two extra blockers but neither one is helping RT.   

The second reason it's hard to run "36" is because the HB must run an extra yard past the QB before he turns up into the "6" hole to get his shoulders square to the hole.  The HB will not normally do this unless coached.  it's simpler to add '38 power Toss' to the offense.  The HB will naturally run wide and RT needs no help.  You're also not duplicating '24'.  If the HB learns to cut back inside the QB (see my PowerPoint) it's a big gainer.  If someone has seen this on the PowerPoint, feel free to speak up.
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Re: Need Help Creating My DC Wing-T Playbook
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2018, 05:40:34 AM »

Oddly enough, "36" is not a big gainer in DCWT in spite of the TE "nasty" split.  There are two reasons for this.  The first, and foremost, reason is that now you have to block the DE when, on "24" you don't.  Keep in mind that "24" becomes "26" based on what the FB sees in front of the RT.  So you already have a "6" hole run and, not only did you not have to block the DE but RT needed NO HELP.  He just takes man over anywhere he wants to go. 

To actually run a planned play to the "6" hole you'd need two more blockers than for "24".  You need one extra blocker for the DE and extra blocker to help seal the RT's man inside.  That call would be "36 Toss" which adds QB and LG as your two extra blockers but neither one is helping RT.   

The second reason it's hard to run "36" is because the HB must run an extra yard past the QB before he turns up into the "6" hole to get his shoulders square to the hole.  The HB will not normally do this unless coached.  it's simpler to add '38 power Toss' to the offense.  The HB will naturally run wide and RT needs no help.  You're also not duplicating '24'.  If the HB learns to cut back inside the QB (see my PowerPoint) it's a big gainer.  If someone has seen this on the PowerPoint, feel free to speak up.

How does the QB become another blocker on this play ? He is handing off to the HB at the same spot as 24 to the FB. How then does he get out front of the HB to block ?  On 38 toss he can do this as the HB puts his hand on the QB’s outside shoulder and cuts off the block he makes, but I don’t see how the QB helps on 36 toss. He ends up behind the HB after handing it off.
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Re: Need Help Creating My DC Wing-T Playbook
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2018, 02:09:22 PM »

Oddly enough, "36" is not a big gainer in DCWT in spite of the TE "nasty" split.  There are two reasons for this.  The first, and foremost, reason is that now you have to block the DE when, on "24" you don't.  Keep in mind that "24" becomes "26" based on what the FB sees in front of the RT.  So you already have a "6" hole run and, not only did you not have to block the DE but RT needed NO HELP.  He just takes man over anywhere he wants to go. 

To actually run a planned play to the "6" hole you'd need two more blockers than for "24".  You need one extra blocker for the DE and extra blocker to help seal the RT's man inside.  That call would be "36 Toss" which adds QB and LG as your two extra blockers but neither one is helping RT.   

The second reason it's hard to run "36" is because the HB must run an extra yard past the QB before he turns up into the "6" hole to get his shoulders square to the hole.  The HB will not normally do this unless coached.  it's simpler to add '38 power Toss' to the offense.  The HB will naturally run wide and RT needs no help.  You're also not duplicating '24'.  If the HB learns to cut back inside the QB (see my PowerPoint) it's a big gainer.  If someone has seen this on the PowerPoint, feel free to speak up.

Thanks Clark

I bought the Boise install and ppt earlier this year and been prepping.  In process of putting pen to paper to create plays, installation order and installation plan for practice plans to share with other coaches before camp starts in a few weeks.

My comment was based on the text in the manual on page 49 "As previously mentioned, there are other ways to run off tackle besides “toss” and you should
have two different ways to run it (One using a “Toss” play and one that doesn’t.). “Backs Over,
26 Power” is very popular." 

Later in the Q&A section of the manual on page 217: "Next is the HB. He’ll start with “33 and 30 Quick Trap” and some form of a “36” and “38” play."

You do have comments in the manual and ppt that 36 isn't a TD play like some others.

The comments above make it seem that the first plays for the HB should be the maxi 33 quick trap, maxi 30 quick trap and probably 38 option/38 toss/jet 38 toss.  That jet 38 toss mentioned as a possible playoff key breaker for the second time facing a team.


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Re: Need Help Creating My DC Wing-T Playbook
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2018, 11:31:07 AM »
How does the QB become another blocker on this play ? He is handing off to the HB at the same spot as 24 to the FB. How then does he get out front of the HB to block ?  On 38 toss he can do this as the HB puts his hand on the QB’s outside shoulder and cuts off the block he makes, but I don’t see how the QB helps on 36 toss. He ends up behind the HB after handing it off.

there"s no fake handoff to the fb on "toss"
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